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   more than a hundred years ago and that this great crime denies them   
   sleep.  They magnify this as a major crime with emotion and relentless   
   attack.  When we bring up the brutal killings of bible-believers, they   
   constantly and callously laugh this off and treat it as nothing then   
   wind up accusing us of hatred for bringing up the atrocities of   
   history).  Brother McMillan is therefore here saying that Seeber's   
   judgment is corrupted since he goes emotional over what he claims is   
   plagiarism, but he constantly ignores the most brutal atrocities of   
   history against bible-believing Christians.   
      
   This is what Ted Seeber replied to Brother McMillan:   
      
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   Can you really be said to be believing in the Bible if you don't live   
   it?   
      
   NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible.   
   They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible.   
      
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   BINGO!!   
      
   NOTICE HOW HE IS SPEAKING IN APPROVAL OF WHAT WAS DONE!  THIS IS JUST   
   THE BEGINNING OF THE CRIMES OF THE MAN TED SEEBER!   
      
   Here is the clincher that forced Ted Seeber to flee from posting on   
   the newsgroups.  Brother McMillan responded by saying:   
      
   Ted McMillan:   
   "NO WONDER YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ME BRINGING BACK YOUR RECORD OF   
   HORRIBLE ATROCITIES!  They were not even living the bible!  Why even   
   worry about them!"   
      
   [Now, you're ready for this??  This is what Brother McMillan then   
   said]...   
      
   "WERE THE 5 TO 6 THOUSANDS WHO WERE KILLED BY THE TERRORIST ATTACKS   
   LIVING THE BIBLE?"   
      
   [Friends, remember the date of the terrorist attacks: September 11,   
   2001.  Now look at the date of Ted Seeber's remarks!!  Prime Minister   
   Tony Blair had not long prior given a definition of a terrorist, and   
   Seeber walked right in and fulfilled it worse than Osama Bin Laden!   
   Osama claims that many must die because America did something against   
   his race and/or religion.  Seeber condemned everyone BECAUSE THEY'RE   
   NOT CATHOLIC!!  That’s why we call him a super-terrorist!   
   Brother McMillan continues]...   
      
   "You don't have any consistent principles, if you even know the   
   meaning of the word!  Your principles change only for you to even look   
   like you are winning an argument."   
      
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   As simple and as striking as these words are, allow me to show you   
   first that even these don't stand alone to prove anything.  With this   
   statement the man has been condemning the American Constitution and   
   all liberty.  He told us that "liberty is useless, and only causes   
   schism."  Ironically, he gave COMPLETE confidence to our current   
   national leaders, even telling us we should willingly provide them   
   with absolutely all our private information and obey EVERYTHING   
   President Bush says whether or not it goes against the Constitution.   
   He said he had no problem doing that SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO   
   HIDE.  He said the Constitution and the principles of liberty are,   
   "incredibly stupid and outdated" in concert with the Bush   
   Administration telling us that the US Counter-terrorism system was   
   "outdated" before regressing the principles of the Constitution as a   
   response to 911.  At the same time, Seeber expressed disdain and   
   hatred for our national forefathers.  He referred to our system of   
   liberty as the “Protestant rebellion,” showing his mind is exactly the   
   same as the Inquisitors centuries ago!   
      
   Seeber said boldly that he works within America to destroy the   
   principles of liberty it now has and says he is within acceptable   
   confines to attack it from the inside.  He claimed it was his purpose   
   to make sure through reinterpretation, that the principles of the   
   Constitution should actually be enforced OPPOSITE to the way they are   
   interpreted and enforced today.  WE ARE NOT KIDDING!!  Where were   
   others who witnessed all of this?  They were right there attacking   
   Brother McMillan for exposing and reproving the super-terrorist!   
      
   The man Seeber has shown complete indifference to atrocities against   
   bible-believers but went nuts when those atrocities were exposed or   
   when we exposed who he and his friends were!  All of them, claiming to   
   come from various Christian denominations--and even one claiming to be   
   a Wiccan or Witch--had this terrible documented Vatican disease!   
      
   http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm   
   5s3n0vg73j3ij1ft2osp6jnmugum9himi7%404ax.com   
      
   In this link above Seeber actually tells us that PERSECUTION IS   
   BIBLICAL!  He tells us that the bible sanctions persecuting Christians   
   for not seeing religious matters as he does!   
      
   Where then are our priorities?  Which is worse: to persecute? or to be   
   exposed for doing that?  Constantly strange people demanding change of   
   our churches and government system approached Brother McMillan,   
   constantly issuing the word HATE at him while constantly clothing   
   their actions with the word LOVE!  They constantly demand that the   
   Adventist Church change in concert with others demanding that the US   
   government change and who are forcing these organizations to do this.   
      
   The conflicting issues in the discussions that took place on the   
   internet dealing with love and hate, can mainly be summed up by the   
   words of one highly unscrupulous person posting by the name of Will   
   Nordymeyer.  He hated Brother McMillan immediately upon noting what he   
   had done to Ted Seeber, and so he moved in with attacks using tactics   
   we had often encountered by these strange killers: always on the basis   
   of love in Christianity.  He was speaking to Brother Ted McMillan when   
   he leveled the typical accusation:   
      
   http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3cd14f0f   
   5%40news5.uncensored-news.com&rnum=7   
      
   > You are once again being hateful and non-Christian.   
      
   This comment came because Brother McMillan exposed Ted Seeber and all   
   who aided and abbetted him.  Brother Ted then wrote from a previous   
   post:   
      
   > > A Super-terrorist has condemned all non-Catholics.   
      
   Will Nordmeyer responded:   
      
   > And Ted continues to call people names.   
      
   This is the direct response he gave after Brother Ted commented about   
   Ted Seeber condemning all non-Catholics to persecution and death!   
      
   Notice that Will Nordmeyer didn’t bother to deny the claim?  He   
   instead presents what he claims is a greater concern!  This is typical   
   of most all of them, and they always charge those who expose them with   
   mental problems.  They then keep moving in telling us about some   
   Gospel we are going to HAVE TO accept whether we like it or not.  They   
   are constanly giving us hints that some climactic crisis is ahead that   
   will force everyone to view matters the way they do OR ELSE!  THEY ARE   
   ALREADY TALKING AS IF SOCIETY IS GOING TO DEMAND THAT WE ACCEPT THEIR   
   DEMANDS!!   
      
   You think this is an isolated case where professed Christians by their   
   actions claim that to name-call is worse than to brutally slay many   
   people and even bible-believers?  We'll show you more!   
      
   We are Seventh-day Adventists, and as such we are constantly   
   undergoing strange circumstances and attacks by our fellow brethren in   
   the church.  We later went on the internet and found out that the same   
   struggle and same strange people are there also.  That's where we met   
   Ted Seeber and all the rest who moved in to help him from different   
   Christian denominations and from Witchdom!  A friend alerted us to   
   strange things happening on the Seventh-day Adventist internet   
   discussion forums.  We'd like you to see what went on and what still   
   goes on there.  What does this have to do with you?  YOU HAD BETTER   
      
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