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|    Message 81 of 1,739    |
|    John W |
|    Re: Jesus as a prophet. (1/2)    |
|    15 Jan 04 20:33:17    |
      XPost: alt.religion.christian.adventist, alt.religion.christian.boston-church,       alt.religion.christian.baptist       XPost: alt.religion.christian.biblestudy       From: @yahoo.com              x-no-archive:yes              On 15 Jan 2004 08:53:39 -0800, EliyahuSilver@Hotmail.com (Eliyahu)       wrote:              >Bs'd       >       >Van mijn home page die hier te vinden is:       >http://www.geocities.com/Metzad       >.       >........Let us take a look at the prophetic qualities of Jesus.       >In Matthew 4:17 he claims that the kingdom of heaven is at hand..       >Now, almost 2000 years later, the kingdom is still not here.              Jesus also said the Kingdom of Heaven is "within", which makes YOU a       liar and false prophet. The Kingdom of Heaven has been with us since       Jesus walked the earth.                     John W              >This claim of Jesus to return soon in order to judge the whole world       >is all over the New Testament. Look for instance in Revelations 1:1-3,       >idem 3:11, idem 22:6, 10-12, 20. Everywhere here is spoken about a       >soon return and the early Christian communities were expecting the       >return of Christ in their lifetimes, as we can read in I Corinthians       >7:29, Romans 13:11-12, and I Peter 4:7. Their belief in a return of       >Christ in their lifetimes was based upon very clear, not to be       >misunderstood statements of Jesus. Look for an impressive prophesy in       >Mark 13:24-30: "The sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give       >her light. And the stars of heaven will fall and the powers that are       >in heaven shall be shaken. And then they shall see the son of man       >coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he shall       >send his angels and shall gather together his elect from the four       >winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of       >heaven ….. Verily I say to you, that this generation shall not pass       >till all these things be done." -----See also Matthew 24:29-35 and       >Luke 21;25-33. .       >-.....This generation passed away almost 2000 years ago, and no one       >has seen him coming back on the clouds to establish his kingdom of       >peace and gather in his elected Christians.       >       >.......In Matthew 16:27-28 Jesus says: "For the son of man shall come       >in the glory of his father with his angels; and then he shall reward       >every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, there be some       >standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the son of       >man coming in his kingdom." See also Mark 9:1       >.......Did anybody see him coming in his kingdom? Is every man already       >rewarded according to his works?... But some of them would not die       >until they would have seen him coming in his kingdom!...Are they still       >around today?....Even Methuselah didn't live that long!       >.,......From this we must conclude that Jesus has a very poor resume       >as a prophet. What does the Holy Torah that the only eternal G.d gave       >to the Jewish people say about this?       >Deuteronomy 18:20-22: "But the prophet which shall presume to speak a       >word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall       >speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if       >you say in your heart; how shall we know the word that the LORD has       >not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the       >thing follows not, nor come to pass, this is the thing that the LORD       >has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you       >shall not be afraid of him."       >.......Here G.d commands the Jewish people to execute false prophets,       >who are prophets whose prophecies do not come true. Jesus is a perfect       >example of a prophet whose prophecy did not come true. See also the       >prophecy concerning the three days and three nights that did not come       >true.       >.......And what about the miracles that he is supposed to have done?       >Jesus placed himself in the place of G.d (John 10:30, 14:9), and he       >demanded to be worshipped like Him (John 5:23), and people did worship       >him (Matthew 2:11, 8:2, 14:33, John 9:38*).       >So if he really performed these miracles, then applies to him the law       >of G.d that says: "If there arise among you a prophet or a dreamer of       >dreams, and giveth thee a sign or wonder, and the sign or wonder comes       >to pass whereof he spake onto thee, saying: Let us go after other gods       >which thou has not known, and let us serve them; Thou shall not       >hearken to the words of that prophet or dreamer of dreams, for the       >LORD (Y-H-W-H) your G.d proveth you, whether you love the LORD thy G.d       >with all your heart and all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD       >your G.d and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice,       >and you shall serve Him and cleave to Him. And that prophet or dreamer       >of dreams shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you       >away from the LORD your G.d which brought you out of the land of       >Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee       >out of the way which the LORD thy G.d commanded thee to walk in. So       >shall thou put the evil away from the midst of thee." Deuteronomy       >13:1-5.       >* If you are a Y-E-H-O-V-A-H witness, and you read these verses in the       >translation that is made by your church, than it will not say that       >Jesus was worshipped. It says in your "New World Translation of the       >Holy Scriptures" that they did obeisance to him, where all other       >translations say that he was worshipped. Since you don't believe in a       >trinity, but only believe in the one true G.d (may his name be       >blessed), your translation had to be made in such a way that it would       >fit your religion. However, in Matthew 4:9-10, and in Luke 4:7-8, the       >devil tries to entice Jesus to worship him. Jesus answers upon this       >that G.d must be worshipped and Him alone must be rendered sacred       >service. The Greek word proskuneo, here correctly translated in your       >translation as "worship", is also used in these verses where it says       >that Jesus is worshipped. You can very easily verify this by means of       >"The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures",       >published by your own church. This is a Greek text of the New       >Testament, based upon the Greek text of Westcott and Hort, that has an       >English translation alongside and underneath each Greek word. Please       >ask your spiritual leaders why in one place the word proskuneo is       >translated as "to worship", and in another place as "to do obeisance."       >Since you already believe in the one true G.d, you are just one small       >step away from being a righteous Noachide. Open your eyes and realize       >the truth about him that you think is your Messiah and take upon you       >all the Noachide commandments.       >.       >.                     _______________________________________________________________________________       Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - ht       p://www.uncensored-news.com              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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