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   Message 81 of 1,739   
   John W    
   Re: Jesus as a prophet. (1/2)   
   15 Jan 04 20:33:17   
   
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   On 15 Jan 2004 08:53:39 -0800, EliyahuSilver@Hotmail.com (Eliyahu)   
   wrote:   
      
   >Bs'd   
   >   
   >Van mijn home page die hier te vinden is:   
   >http://www.geocities.com/Metzad   
   >.   
   >........Let us take a look at the prophetic qualities of Jesus.   
   >In Matthew 4:17 he claims that the kingdom of heaven is at hand..   
   >Now, almost 2000 years later, the kingdom is still not here.   
      
   Jesus also said the Kingdom of Heaven is "within", which makes YOU a   
   liar and false prophet.  The Kingdom of Heaven has been with us since   
   Jesus walked the earth.   
      
      
   John W   
      
   >This claim of Jesus to return soon in order to judge the whole world   
   >is all over the New Testament. Look for instance in Revelations 1:1-3,   
   >idem 3:11, idem 22:6, 10-12, 20. Everywhere here is spoken about a   
   >soon return and the early Christian communities were expecting the   
   >return of Christ in their lifetimes, as we can read in I Corinthians   
   >7:29, Romans 13:11-12, and I Peter 4:7. Their belief in a return of   
   >Christ in their lifetimes was based upon very clear, not to be   
   >misunderstood statements of Jesus. Look for an impressive prophesy in   
   >Mark 13:24-30: "The sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give   
   >her light. And the stars of heaven will fall and the powers that are   
   >in heaven shall be shaken. And then they shall see the son of man   
   >coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he shall   
   >send his angels and shall gather together his elect from the four   
   >winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of   
   >heaven ….. Verily I say to you, that this generation shall not pass   
   >till all these things be done." -----See also Matthew 24:29-35 and   
   >Luke 21;25-33. .   
   >-.....This generation passed away almost 2000 years ago, and no one   
   >has seen him coming back on the clouds to establish his kingdom of   
   >peace and gather in his elected Christians.   
   >   
   >.......In Matthew 16:27-28 Jesus says: "For the son of man shall come   
   >in the glory of his father with his angels; and then he shall reward   
   >every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, there be some   
   >standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the son of   
   >man coming in his kingdom." See also Mark 9:1   
   >.......Did anybody see him coming in his kingdom? Is every man already   
   >rewarded according to his works?... But some of them would not die   
   >until they would have seen him coming in his kingdom!...Are they still   
   >around today?....Even Methuselah didn't live that long!   
   >.,......From this we must conclude that Jesus has a very poor resume   
   >as a prophet. What does the Holy Torah that the only eternal G.d gave   
   >to the Jewish people say about this?   
   >Deuteronomy 18:20-22: "But the prophet which shall presume to speak a   
   >word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall   
   >speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if   
   >you say in your heart; how shall we know the word that the LORD has   
   >not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the   
   >thing follows not, nor come to pass, this is the thing that the LORD   
   >has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you   
   >shall not be afraid of him."   
   >.......Here G.d commands the Jewish people to execute false prophets,   
   >who are prophets whose prophecies do not come true. Jesus is a perfect   
   >example of a prophet whose prophecy did not come true. See also the   
   >prophecy concerning the three days and three nights that did not come   
   >true.   
   >.......And what about the miracles that he is supposed to have done?   
   >Jesus placed himself in the place of G.d (John 10:30, 14:9), and he   
   >demanded to be worshipped like Him (John 5:23), and people did worship   
   >him (Matthew 2:11, 8:2, 14:33, John 9:38*).   
   >So if he really performed these miracles, then applies to him the law   
   >of G.d that says: "If there arise among you a prophet or a dreamer of   
   >dreams, and giveth thee a sign or wonder, and the sign or wonder comes   
   >to pass whereof he spake onto thee, saying: Let us go after other gods   
   >which thou has not known, and let us serve them; Thou shall not   
   >hearken to the words of that prophet or dreamer of dreams, for the   
   >LORD (Y-H-W-H) your G.d proveth you, whether you love the LORD thy G.d   
   >with all your heart and all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD   
   >your G.d and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice,   
   >and you shall serve Him and cleave to Him. And that prophet or dreamer   
   >of dreams shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you   
   >away from the LORD your G.d which brought you out of the land of   
   >Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee   
   >out of the way which the LORD thy G.d commanded thee to walk in. So   
   >shall thou put the evil away from the midst of thee." Deuteronomy   
   >13:1-5.   
   >* If you are a Y-E-H-O-V-A-H witness, and you read these verses in the   
   >translation that is made by your church, than it will not say that   
   >Jesus was worshipped. It says in your "New World Translation of the   
   >Holy Scriptures" that they did obeisance to him, where all other   
   >translations say that he was worshipped. Since you don't believe in a   
   >trinity, but only believe in the one true G.d (may his name be   
   >blessed), your translation had to be made in such a way that it would   
   >fit your religion. However, in Matthew 4:9-10, and in Luke 4:7-8, the   
   >devil tries to entice Jesus to worship him. Jesus answers upon this   
   >that G.d must be worshipped and Him alone must be rendered sacred   
   >service. The Greek word proskuneo, here correctly translated in your   
   >translation as "worship", is also used in these verses where it says   
   >that Jesus is worshipped. You can very easily verify this by means of   
   >"The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures",   
   >published by your own church. This is a Greek text of the New   
   >Testament, based upon the Greek text of Westcott and Hort, that has an   
   >English translation alongside and underneath each Greek word. Please   
   >ask your spiritual leaders why in one place the word proskuneo is   
   >translated as "to worship", and in another place as "to do obeisance."   
   >Since you already believe in the one true G.d, you are just one small   
   >step away from being a righteous Noachide. Open your eyes and realize   
   >the truth about him that you think is your Messiah and take upon you   
   >all the Noachide commandments.   
   >.   
   >.   
      
      
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