XPost: alt.philosophy.zen, alt.society.liberalism, alt.society.kindness   
   XPost: talk.politics.theory   
   From: stumper@newvessel.com   
      
   NYC XYZ wrote:   
   > stumper wrote:   
   >>   
   >> Most, if not all, religions are neither democratic nor liberal.   
   >> Zen as practiced by most is that way as well.   
   >   
   > Democracy means "choice," but there is no "choice" when confronted with   
   > the truth!   
   >   
   > That's something Krishnamurti impressed upon me...a mind that chooses   
   > is one that calculates and schemes and judges, all of which is simply   
   > being caught up in its own net of dualism...there is never any choice   
   > when the truth of the matter is perceived (I'm paraphrasing him, but   
   > that's almost certainly the gist of it).   
   >   
   > Like in kendo, you know, there's only parrying between relative equals   
   > -- the true master needs only one stroke.  In the Army, it's the   
   > regulars who shoot up the place; a sniper's motto is "one shot, one   
   > kill."   
   >   
   > It's funny, but there's an elegance to violence, a violence to   
   > simplicity, a simplicity to truth, a truth in beauty and elegance....   
   >   
   >> But, here and now appears to be democratic and liberal.   
   >   
   > It also seems very much in keeping with Daoist "anarchy," the   
   > laissez-faire principle....   
   >   
   >> Do ask the enlightened about it, please.   
   >   
   > Why?   
   >   
      
   Because we are not there yet.   
      
   --   
   ~Stumper   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)