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|    Message 856 of 1,739    |
|    Robert Epstein to Hollywood Lee    |
|    Re: Zen and...Liberalism?    |
|    13 Oct 06 07:16:42    |
      XPost: alt.philosophy.zen, alt.society.liberalism, alt.society.kindness       XPost: talk.politics.theory       From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com              Hollywood Lee wrote:              > NYC XYZ wrote:       >       >> Hollywood Lee wrote:       >>       >>>       >>> Gak. It may be visceral. It may be unmediated by conceptual thinking.       >>> But "truth"? Pure Bushido bullshit.       >>       >>       >>       >> So you think Bushido is a corruption of Zen?       >       >       > You would have to ask a zennie. From my perspective Bushido is to       > Buddhism what Rapture theology is to the Sermon on the Mount. Corruption       > hardly describes the foul stench.       >       >       >>       >> I've long wondered how Zen can be applied to something like murder.       >       >       > Banish all dualisms you don't like, such as good/evil, life/death and       > substitute in a strict code of obedience and mindless response and you       > got one mean killin machine, brutha.       >       >       >       >       >> Did samurai let themselves off the hook by rationalizing that it wasn't       >> personal?       >       >       > "In D. T. Suzuki's highly influential and praised Zen and Japanese       > Culture, published in 1959 by Princeton University, he wrote:       >       > The sword is generally associated with killing, and most of us       > wonder how it can come into connection with Zen, which is a school of       > Buddhism teaching the gospel of love and mercy. The fact is that the art       > of swordsmanship distinguishes between the sword that kills and the       > sword that gives life. The one that is used by a technician cannot go       > any further than killing, for he never appeals to the sword unless he       > intends to kill. The case is altogether different with the one who is       > compelled to lift the sword. For it is really not he but the sword       > itself that does the killing. He had no desire to do harm to anybody,       > but the enemy appears and makes himself a victim. It is as though the       > sword performs automatically its function of justice, with is the       > function of mercy…the swordsman turns into an artist of the first grade,       > engaged in producing a work of genuine originality."       >       > F'n bullshit for the stupid and easily led.              I'm afraid so.              robert              - - - - - - - -              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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