XPost: alt.philosophy.zen, alt.society.liberalism, alt.society.kindness   
   XPost: talk.politics.theory   
   From: jack_foreigner@yahoo.com   
      
   Hollywood Lee wrote:   
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   > No, I think he meant it quite literally.  For one side of the debate,   
   > see http://www.mandala.hr/5/baran.html   
      
   Great ref!  Many thanks for the cite.  Wish you'd replied when I last   
   inquired of Zen and war!   
      
   > "Nobel violence"?   
      
   Hehe, why not a Nobel Prize for War?  After all, even the enlightened   
   Greeks recognized that "if you want peace, prepare for war."   
      
   > "Holy warrior"?  Again, more Bushido shite.  If you   
   > want a religion of war, look to Odin, look to Thor.  But leave the wimpy   
   > Buddha alone.   
      
   It's amazing how things change, eh?  But I don't think Zen is really a   
   religion as such.  Is it?  Anyway, I'm into its philosophy, though its   
   logical implications are what I've uncovered...of course, "logical   
   implications" may well be a form of the maya (illusion) that (true,   
   proper) Zen attempts to pierce past....   
      
   Interesting how the real religions of war have fallen to the wayside.   
   Can this mean that humanity is approaching peace?  Or is it simply that   
   religions of peace are more effective ideologies for states of war??   
   The devil wins by convincing you he doesn't exist.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)