XPost: alt.philosophy.zen, alt.society.liberalism, alt.society.kindness   
   XPost: talk.politics.theory   
   From: hollywoodlee@gmail.com   
      
   NYC XYZ wrote:   
   > Hollywood Lee wrote:   
   >>   
   >> No, I think he meant it quite literally.  For one side of the debate,   
   >> see http://www.mandala.hr/5/baran.html   
   >   
   > Great ref!  Many thanks for the cite.  Wish you'd replied when I last   
   > inquired of Zen and war!   
      
   What.  They don't have google in your part of the world?   
      
   >   
   >> "Nobel violence"?   
   >   
   > Hehe, why not a Nobel Prize for War?  After all, even the enlightened   
   > Greeks recognized that "if you want peace, prepare for war."   
      
   And what are they now?  A small nation with some semi-okay food.   
      
      
   >> "Holy warrior"?  Again, more Bushido shite.  If you   
   >> want a religion of war, look to Odin, look to Thor.  But leave the wimpy   
   >> Buddha alone.   
   >   
   > It's amazing how things change, eh?  But I don't think Zen is really a   
   > religion as such.  Is it?  Anyway, I'm into its philosophy, though its   
   > logical implications are what I've uncovered...of course, "logical   
   > implications" may well be a form of the maya (illusion) that (true,   
   > proper) Zen attempts to pierce past....   
   >   
   > Interesting how the real religions of war have fallen to the wayside.   
   > Can this mean that humanity is approaching peace?  Or is it simply that   
   > religions of peace are more effective ideologies for states of war??   
      
   Anyone who actually takes the time to read any of the Abrahamic texts   
   can hardly call these religions of peace.  Even Thor begins to look like   
   a piker when compared to the jealous, vengeful God of these texts.   
      
   Thank God for those like the Quakers and the Amish who actually found   
   the message of peace buried in this pile of steaming offal.   
      
      
   > The devil wins by convincing you he doesn't exist.   
      
   No, he wins by convincing you that you need violence and anger to defeat   
   him.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)