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   Dick to All   
   Mysteries od God (2/4)   
   28 Aug 07 19:30:13   
   
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   thing else in this universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion   
   years can be as one day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to   
   be, since He is beyond time. With that in mind, lets move into   
   Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I   
   think that this represents the start of our universe. The heavens   
   representing space and the earth representing matter. The earth being   
   without form and void and the Spirit of God hovered above the waters.   
   The matter had not coalesced together sufficiently to form large   
   physical bodies in space, but had coalesced enough that internal heat   
   within the matter was driving off water vapor that may have condensed   
   on the surface of that matter. Then God said let there be light. This   
   was beginning of nuclear fusion in our universe, along with planet   
   building. Where the light hit these protoplanets, there was day and on   
   the backside of these bodies was night just as God had commanded.   
   Obviously it took billions of our years for our universe to reach this   
   stage, but to God that is little more than a blink of the eye.   
   God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being   
   whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I   
   think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point   
   because our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur   
   until the fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into   
   the seas and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar   
   systems had cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing   
   instead of one big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from   
   their surfaces upward. This probably took millions of years to occur.   
   During this day God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again   
   in God's time there could have been another blink of His spiritual   
   eyes. Evening could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He   
   opens them again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks   
   have erected the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a   
   cookout! Right?). On the third day, God brought forth vegetation.   
   There have probably been many planets within our universe in times   
   past and yet today that have some forms of life upon them. This is   
   God's universe, along with any others, and He can do with them   
   whatever He so desires. Who are we to limit Him to only caring about   
   what happens on our dinky little planet, as important as it is to us?   
   Don't get me wrong, God does care about us and this Earth, but We are   
   not His only responsibility. Again God blinks His eyes and another day   
   is over in His book, even though more millions of Earth type years may   
   have elapsed.   
   On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the   
   planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is   
   referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is   
   not yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into   
   our way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we   
   could ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth   
   in this time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth   
   years long. It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this   
   creating, because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying   
   to keep up with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone   
   those that everyone else bring to Him in prayer.   
   On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in   
   existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This   
   time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you   
   can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to   
   bring this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired   
   and God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing.   
   Truly we have a great and awe inspiring God.   
   On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the   
   road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an   
   evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You   
   bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along   
   later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at   
   all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with   
   God about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be   
   good. Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that   
   work of creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did   
   not last even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so   
   much that He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.   
   Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a   
   spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and   
   breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special   
   purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had   
   caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was   
   perfect. These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this   
   world with a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a   
   soul, but no spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that   
   the fall of Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day.   
   This I have reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover   
   remnants from the old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer   
   launched his revolt against God. As beings who did not take part in   
   that revolt, but nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not   
   remain in Heaven in our old form. We have to be transformed into new   
   creatures before we are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose   
   of our earthly existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the   
   angels were going to revolt against him. He also had originally   
   created us as subangelic beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his   
   heavenly responsibilities, before Lucifer got the big head and decided   
   to try to take over God's position. I wonder if that happened while   
   God was on vacation during the seventh day. It would be just like old   
   Lucifer to try something like that.   
   Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see   
   Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then   
   spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could   
   not do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own   
   eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to   
   accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place   
   to accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits   
   into men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created   
   spirit (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled   
   men. Had he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to   
   eventually eat of the tree of life and been transformed into an   
   eternal creature, with rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve   
   were a special test case. God knew that if they failed the test, then   
   all men from that point on would fail this test. They were cast out of   
   the Garden and forced to live among the other existing humans. From   
   that time on all human beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long   
   will this go on? Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned   
   subangelic spirits or until the church on Earth becomes so decadent   
   that so few are getting saved and transformed thru faith in the shed   
      
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