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|    Dick to All    |
|    Mysteries od God (2/4)    |
|    28 Aug 07 19:30:13    |
      [continued from previous message]              thing else in this universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion       years can be as one day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to       be, since He is beyond time. With that in mind, lets move into       Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I       think that this represents the start of our universe. The heavens       representing space and the earth representing matter. The earth being       without form and void and the Spirit of God hovered above the waters.       The matter had not coalesced together sufficiently to form large       physical bodies in space, but had coalesced enough that internal heat       within the matter was driving off water vapor that may have condensed       on the surface of that matter. Then God said let there be light. This       was beginning of nuclear fusion in our universe, along with planet       building. Where the light hit these protoplanets, there was day and on       the backside of these bodies was night just as God had commanded.       Obviously it took billions of our years for our universe to reach this       stage, but to God that is little more than a blink of the eye.       God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being       whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I       think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point       because our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur       until the fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into       the seas and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar       systems had cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing       instead of one big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from       their surfaces upward. This probably took millions of years to occur.       During this day God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again       in God's time there could have been another blink of His spiritual       eyes. Evening could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He       opens them again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks       have erected the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a       cookout! Right?). On the third day, God brought forth vegetation.       There have probably been many planets within our universe in times       past and yet today that have some forms of life upon them. This is       God's universe, along with any others, and He can do with them       whatever He so desires. Who are we to limit Him to only caring about       what happens on our dinky little planet, as important as it is to us?       Don't get me wrong, God does care about us and this Earth, but We are       not His only responsibility. Again God blinks His eyes and another day       is over in His book, even though more millions of Earth type years may       have elapsed.       On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the       planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is       referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is       not yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into       our way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we       could ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth       in this time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth       years long. It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this       creating, because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying       to keep up with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone       those that everyone else bring to Him in prayer.       On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in       existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This       time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you       can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to       bring this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired       and God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing.       Truly we have a great and awe inspiring God.       On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the       road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an       evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You       bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along       later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at       all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with       God about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be       good. Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that       work of creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did       not last even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so       much that He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.       Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a       spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and       breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special       purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had       caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was       perfect. These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this       world with a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a       soul, but no spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that       the fall of Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day.       This I have reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover       remnants from the old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer       launched his revolt against God. As beings who did not take part in       that revolt, but nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not       remain in Heaven in our old form. We have to be transformed into new       creatures before we are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose       of our earthly existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the       angels were going to revolt against him. He also had originally       created us as subangelic beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his       heavenly responsibilities, before Lucifer got the big head and decided       to try to take over God's position. I wonder if that happened while       God was on vacation during the seventh day. It would be just like old       Lucifer to try something like that.       Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see       Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then       spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could       not do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own       eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to       accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place       to accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits       into men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created       spirit (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled       men. Had he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to       eventually eat of the tree of life and been transformed into an       eternal creature, with rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve       were a special test case. God knew that if they failed the test, then       all men from that point on would fail this test. They were cast out of       the Garden and forced to live among the other existing humans. From       that time on all human beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long       will this go on? Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned       subangelic spirits or until the church on Earth becomes so decadent       that so few are getting saved and transformed thru faith in the shed              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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