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   On 17 Jan 2004 19:45:29 -0800, EliyahuSilver613@hotmail.com (Eliyahu)   
   wrote:   
      
   >Bs'd   
   >   
   >   
   >On alt.messianic.yeshua the following is posted as a reaction on my   
   >message of "JC was not the messiah":   
   >   
   >Dear Reader   
   >Shalom   
   >The shocking facts are out   
   >This is what your rabbis have hidden from you for nearly 2000.   
   >http://www.messiahrevealed.org/category-index.html   
   >Send this to all your Jewish Friends   
   >   
   >These are the outrageous lies and mistranslations the Christians use   
   >to lure unsuspecting victims into idolatry.   
   >   
   >One example of a deceiving mistranslation is found in the very   
   >beginning of that homepage.  Under the heading: "The Pre-Existence of   
   >the Messiah", it  says there: "The Messiah would be from everlasting"   
   >Micah 5:2c John 8:58.   
   >   
   >Here Micha 5:2 is used to claim that the messiah is from everlasting.   
   >Let's look at some translations of Micha 5:2:   
   >   
   >Micah 5:2 :: New American Standard Bible: ""But as for you, Bethlehem   
   >Ephrathah,   
   >          Too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you One will   
   >go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.  His goings forth are from long   
   >ago, from the days of eternity."   
   >   
   >Micah 5:2 :: King James Version:  "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah,   
   >though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee   
   >shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose   
   >goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."   
   >   
   >Micah 5:2 :: New King James Version: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,   
   >        Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of   
   >you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings   
   >forth are from of old, from everlasting."   
   >   
   >Micah 5:2 :: American Standard Version: "But thou, Beth-lehem   
   >Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of   
   >thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose   
   >goings forth are from of old, from everlasting."   
   >   
   >Micah 5:2 :: Darby Translation: " And thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, little   
   >to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall he come forth   
   >unto me [who is] to be Ruler in Israel: whose goings forth are from of   
   >old, from the days of eternity."   
   >   
   >A ruler who's origin is "from eternity".   
      
   The correct form for the above would be   
      
   "A ruler whose origin is "from eternity."   
      
   YOUR version, tested, (the apostrophe removed) would read:   
      
     "A ruler who is origin is "from eternity."   
      
   John W   
      
      
   >Has to be God, doesn't he?   
   >How else can he be from "eternity"?   
   >   
   >The Hebrew words here translated with "days of eternity" are "jamee   
   >olaam".   
   >   
   >The selfsame Hebrew words "jamee olaam" are used two chapters further   
   >on in Micha, in chapter 7:14.   
   >And now see how those same translations translate that same phrase   
   >there:   
   >   
   >Micah 7:14 :: New American Standard Bible: "Shepherd Your people with   
   >Your scepter, the flock of Your possession which dwells by itself in   
   >the woodland, in the midst of a fruitful field.  Let them feed in   
   >Bashan and Gilead as in THE DAYS OF OLD"   
   >   
   >Micah 7:14 :: King James Version: "let them feed in Bashan and Gilead,   
   >as in the days of old."   
   >   
   >Micah 7:14 :: New King James Version: " Let them feed in Bashan and   
   >Gilead, as in days of old."   
   >   
   >Micah 7:14 :: American Standard Version: "let them feed in Bashan and   
   >Gilead, as in the days of old."   
   >   
   >Micah 7:14 :: Darby Translation: "Let them feed in Bashan and Gilead,   
   >as in the days of old."   
   >   
   >And GONE are the "days of eternity", replaced by "days of old".   
   >It has to be, because everybody understands that in "the days of   
   >eternity" nothing was fed in Bashan and Gilead.   
   >And so, by means of rotten and corrupted translations Christianity is   
   >trying to deceive the people.   
   >   
   >This deceit is a kind of covered up, if you cannot read Hebrew you   
   >will not be able to see it.   
   >But they are so bold & unashamed that they use clear lies to deceive   
   >people into idolatry, only hoping that nobody is going to check it   
   >out, as is unfortunately mostly the case.   
   >   
   >The open clear-cut lies  are on the home page of "messiah revealed",   
   >brought to our attention by the poster who reacted on my message.   
   >   
   >My comment on yet another page with 324 of those horrible lies can be   
   >found here:  http://www.geocities.com/Metzad/324lies.htm   
   >   
   >And remember: It if was so clear that JC was the messiah, nobody would   
   >start to post 300 lies in order to "prove" that he was the messiah.   
   >   
   >Read my comment and weep….   
   >   
   >Eliyahu   
      
      
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