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   On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:32:08 +0100, Nostradamus wrote:   
      
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   Ukraine war: Tusk plans talks on Ukraine support - without   
   Germany   
      
   Poland's prime minister has announced talks with partner states to prepare   
   Europe's security policy for the Trump presidency.   
      
   He is apparently not planning to include Germany in this.   
      
   Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk is launching a diplomatic offensive to   
   support Ukraine. He will soon meet French President Emmanuel Macron,   
   British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte and   
   leading politicians from the Nordic and Baltic states, Tusk said on   
   Saturday. The talks are to focus on transatlantic cooperation and the war   
   in Ukraine. He has not yet mentioned Germany.   
      
   With regard to the imminent start of Donald Trump's presidency in the USA,   
   Tusk said, according to the Reuters news agency, that there was "no doubt   
   that this new political landscape represents a serious challenge for   
   everyone", "especially in the context of a possible end to the Russian-   
   Ukrainian war as a result of an agreement, for example, between the   
   President of Russia and the new President of the United States". Tusk also   
   said that he believed there would be a statement "in the near future" on   
   the date of a possible ceasefire and on security guarantees for Ukraine.   
   This was reported by the Ukrainian-language service of the public   
   broadcaster Polskie Radio on Saturday. However, Tusk is said to have   
   stressed that such a plan is probably only in the preparatory phase. The   
   decisions would "certainly mean less US involvement in Ukrainian affairs",   
   said Tusk, according to Polskie Radio. Ukraine is heavily dependent on US   
   support in its defense against Russia, both militarily and financially.   
   Before his re-election, Trump had announced that he would end the war   
   within 24 hours if he became president again. However, he avoided the   
   question of whether he would maintain support for the country. Trump's   
   running mate J. D. Vance had stated that an agreement to end the war would   
   "probably" mean that Russia would keep the territories it had conquered in   
   Ukraine and that Kiev would give up its goal of joining NATO. Trump's   
   election is therefore causing concern in Kiev and other European capitals.   
   Observers in Kiev consider Trump's announced timetable to be pure   
   rhetoric. Many point to the complexity of the conflict and fear that Trump   
   could rely on a quick deal in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin   
   that would only last a short time and would be to the detriment of the   
   attacked Ukraine and its European neighbors. Europe should pay more   
   attention to security   
      
   The Ukrainian Nobel Peace Prize winner Oleksandra Matwijtschuk, for   
   example, emphasized in a conversation with Handelsblatt that complex   
   questions require complex answers. She also pointed out the danger that   
   Russia could regroup and attack again, even if it does not try to expand   
   for a while.   
      
   Accordingly, calls are mounting that Europe must finally advance security   
   on its own continent. Tusk is apparently reacting to this. In the "coming   
   days," he said, "we will coordinate cooperation very intensively with   
   countries that have a very similar view of the geopolitical and   
   transatlantic situation and the situation in Ukraine."   
      
   Germany does not appear to be one of them at the moment. He has not yet   
   mentioned Scholz or the Federal Republic publicly in connection with the   
   planned talks. Relations between Warsaw and Berlin have cooled after   
   initial confidence following Tusk's election as prime minister at the end   
   of 2023.   
      
   Scholz did not invite Tusk in October   
      
   Poland plays an important role in European security and defense policy   
      
   as well as within NATO. The country is the EU leader with defense spending   
   of over four percent of gross domestic product (GDP) and borders directly   
   on Ukraine. Nevertheless, Chancellor Olaf Scholz did not invite Tusk when   
   he   
      
   spoke about Ukraine with the current US President Biden, Macron and   
   Starmer in Berlin in mid-October.   
      
   Mujtaba Rahman, Europe director of the geopolitical think tank Eurasia   
   Group,   
      
   wrote that the Weimar Triangle, i.e. Germany, France and   
      
   Poland, should be "at the center of any EU/European response, but   
      
   Germany is making itself irrelevant."   
      
   The next presidential election will take place in Poland next May.   
      
   However, according to experts, support for Ukraine is not at stake. The   
   country's two major parties are "fully aware of the threat Putin's Russia   
   could pose to Poland in the future," said the deputy director of the state   
   research institute Mieroszewski Centre, Lukasz Adamski, on Saturday in   
   Kiev. "Therefore, Poland's military support for Ukraine is not in danger,"   
   said Adamski. Even before Donald Trump moved into the White House, unusual   
   formats of talks were emerging in the search for solutions to the war in   
   Ukraine, even beyond Tusk's initiative: On Wednesday, Ukrainian President   
   Volodymyr Zelensky publicly congratulated Trump. Later in the day, the two   
   spoke on the phone. It was also announced that tech billionaire Elon Musk   
   was also present at the talks on Trump's side. The constellation is seen   
   as a sign of Musk's future influence on Trump.   
      
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