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|    Cousin marriage (1/2)    |
|    03 Dec 24 14:17:40    |
      From: andal@andal.org              It is a biting winter’s evening in Cambridge and apparently we are making       history. This is the first serious public discussion in the UK of the law       on cousin marriage, and the desirability of legislating against it, since       the mid-Victorian era. At a time when British universities seem more       interested in discussing diversity, equity and inclusion and decolonising       the curricula than engaging with the great issues of the day, there is an       unmistakable frisson as we gather around a long beechwood table in the       brightly lit Weston Room of the interfaith Woolf Institute. A portrait of       the no-nonsense Princess Anne, its patron, smiles down upon us.              Charles Darwin, who was married to his first cousin Emma Wedgwood, sought       to include a question on first cousin marriage in the 1871 census.       Parliament rejected the attempt as being of ‘particular sensitivity’ and       ‘unacceptably intrusive’. One hundred and fifty years later, it remains an       issue of ‘great controversy’, as Nazir Afzal, a former chief crown       prosecutor, chancellor of Manchester University and one of the evening’s       expert speakers, acknowledges.              We kick off this almost wholly academic meeting with Rebecca Probert, a       legal professor and expert in English marriage law at Exeter University.       She guides us through a fascinating history, from the Book of Leviticus,       which established a template of forbidden familial sexual relations for a       man (mother, sister, niece, granddaughter and other relatives, though not       daughter or granddaughter) to Henry VIII and his self-serving legal       manoeuvres.              Henry’s Marriage Act of 1540 allowed him to marry Catherine Howard, the       first cousin of one of his previous wives, Anne Boleyn, a union which       otherwise would have been considered incest under canon law. Cousin       marriage, historically the norm for much of the world, has been legal       since the Reformation (in 1840, exactly 300 years after Henry’s legal       gambit, Queen Victoria married her first cousin, Prince Albert), but has       remained a consistent reference point in public discussions, suggesting       ‘some disquiet’ about the practice.              Next up is Afzal on the case for ‘thoughtful legislation’ on cousin       marriage in a changing world. He speaks with authority on its incidence in       the British Pakistani community, emphasising that every time he brings it       up he receives a ‘pile-on’ of public abuse.              According to Patrick Nash, an expert on religious law and director of the       Pharos Foundation, which is co-hosting the discussion, consanguinity rates       within the British Pakistani community are between 40-60 per cent, rising       to more than 90 per cent within many patriarchal networks in Bradford.       Published earlier this year, Nash’s academic paper, ‘The Case for Banning       Cousin Marriage’, unexpectedly started trending in Scandinavia, the       prelude to Norway, Sweden and Denmark all announcing moves to ban the       practice.              The focus has since switched to the UK. On 5 November, the Conservative MP       Richard Holden tabled a question for the Justice Secretary, asking her to       assess the potential merits of outlawing marriage between first cousins.       ‘We are aware that all aspects of weddings, including first cousin       marriage, are important issues,’ Alex Davies-Jones, a minister in the       justice department, responded. The government would consider the issue.       Translation: lob it into the long grass.              Afzal treads a thoughtful line through this minefield, an intersection of       culture, law and ethics, tradition, morality and public health. The       science is clear. The risks of serious recessive genetic disorders,       including Tay-Sachs disease, cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis and beta       thalassaemia, approximately double through cousin marriage, from 2-3 per       cent in the child of an unrelated couple to the (still low) 4-6 per cent       for the child of one-time first cousins. Multi-generational cousin       marriages, however, are only likely to increase these figures.              It is not always clear which way Afzal is leaning. Some have argued the       health risks of cousin marriage are no greater than those from a woman       having a child in her mid-forties, he notes. Others say that isn’t true.       Taboo for some, cousin marriage for others is about ‘keeping the family       together, keeping the property in the family’. He describes how the       outlook of the British Pakistani community has steadily evolved, from the       more conservative ‘village mentality’ of the first generation to a much       more global outlook today. The community is already having the       conversation about cousin marriages and there is now a recognition that a       much bigger pool of potential marriage partners is available. ‘I’m quite       positive about this for the first time in my life. Children have access to       online dating apps, they don’t have to rely on mum and dad to find a       partner.’ He says he can count the number of prosecutions for forced       marriage, criminalised in 2014, on one hand. The same is true for female       genital mutilation, criminalised in 1985. ‘Having a law doesn’t always       make the difference you think it does.’ Ultimately, Afzal concludes, it is       better to engage directly with the communities than impose an outright       ban.              Opinion on the panel, which includes Samia Bano from SOAS, Stephen Gilmore       (Cambridge), Inaya Folarin Iman (Equiano Project), Jean-Francois Mignot       (Sorbonne), Michael Muthukrishna (LSE) and Philip Wood (Aga Khan       University), is reassuringly divided. This is no kangaroo court. It’s       cultural relativism versus universal moral standards and human rights,       accusations of prejudice and stereotyping against open discussions of       problems within communities, and personal freedom against public health.              The counter arguments to an outright ban are considered in detail, among       them the relatively low risk of genetic disorders and diseases, the danger       of stigmatising minorities and the fundamental question of personal       autonomy. Responding to the charge of cousin marriages creating an excess       burden on the NHS, an accusation levelled by Tommy Robinson, the       self-styled English ‘patriot’ currently detained at His Majesty’s       pleasure, one of the panellists notes that Muslims generally do not drink,       which must save the NHS a considerable sum.              The discussion ends perfectly convivially. To be honest, I was expecting       more of a brouhaha, but there have been no brickbats, no stinging insults       or anything untoward. Just a few academics finding some things ‘highly       problematic’ or ‘deeply concerning’ and only one use of the word       ‘Islamophobia’.              These days the mere act of having such a controversial discussion in       Cambridge feels like an achievement. Earlier in the day, I was reminded              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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