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   "Ash Wyrd"  wrote in message   
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   > "Colston"  wrote in message   
   > news:vCwyb.4284$qe3.3737@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...   
   > > Mark 16 14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he   
   > rebuked   
   > > them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those   
   > who   
   > > had seen him after he had risen.   
   > > 15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to   
   all   
   > > creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever   
   > does   
   > > not believe will be condemned.   
   >   
   > Jesus is speaking of the baptism in blood here, not in water. Later he   
   > baptizes his apostles in fire, which is the holy spirit (this is the day   
   of   
   > Pentecost)   
   >   
   >   
      
   This is a good point and brings up the question of whether you must be   
   Baptized of the Holy Spirit to be saved. It also brings up the question of   
   when the Holy Spirit Baptism occurs (i.e. at the moment of Salvation or as a   
   seperate event.)   
   -Joe   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)