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   From: no.spam@no.spam   
      
   Troels Forchhammer chiseled in runes:   
      
   >     So are Lewis Carroll's _Alice_ stories, with   
   >     their dream-frame and dream-transitions. For this (and   
   >     other reasons) they are not fairy-stories.   
   >   (Tolkien, 'On Fairy-Stories' section 'Fairy Story')   
      
   Well, just because the Great One said so, doesn't make it true (at least   
   not for all readers at all times).   
      
   > Tolkien also speaks of Carroll's _Alice_ stories in end-note A:   
   >   
   >       But to many, as it was to me, _Alice_ is   
   >     presented as a fairy-story and while this misunderstanding   
   >     lasts, the distaste for the dream-machinery is felt.   
      
   I'm kind of puzzled at this... what does he mean, "presented as   
   a fairy-story"? I think Tolkien's distaste had something to do with   
   his being a demanding reader/listener and a purist. Of course, I'm   
   *glad* he was a purist, so I can safely ignore some of his purisms.   
      
   > There is no suggestion of dream in _The Wind in the Willows_.   
      
   In Wayfarers All, Rat goes into a dream-like trance. However, the real   
   dream is in Chapter 7, The Piper At the Gates of Dawn. And it's a deeply   
   Pagan dream, at that.   
      
   I could say more (and probably will) but I have to rush off and see   
   a man about a basilisk.   
      
   SQ - It's hot here today. I could use a Tuborg!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)