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From: bredband.net@ojevind.lang
"Sean_Q_" skrev i meddelandet
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> Öjevind Lång wrote:
>> OK - here's mine. The category is the vegetable kingdom.
>>
>> Öjevind
>
> Ok. Here's what we know so far, as of 12:10 Pacific Daylight Time,
> September 2, 2009:
>
> 1. It is a live tree.
Well - yes and no. OK, call me an Elf if you wish!
> 2. It is not a mallorn.
Check
> 3. It is one of the trees on my list.
Check
> 4. It is neither friendly nor hostile, but neutral.
Check
> 5. Its species can be found both in a forest and not in a forest.
> Meaning that an individual of this species (but not necessarily
> Öjevind's tree, which at our present level of understanding might
> be in a forest or might not be in a forest) might be found in
> a forest or isolated out on a plain, prairie, savanna, steppe,
> veldt, grassland, pampas, wold, meadow, plateau, Barrow Down,
> regular down, moor, desert, chaparral, outback, badland, sahel,
> tundra, barren, avalanche zone, lava field, meteor debris field,
> Desolation of Smaug, troll shaw, Elven picnic circle, sincere
> pumpkin patch, delta, reef, intertidal zone, swamp, marsh, fen,
> wetland, everglade, floodplain, alpine area, forest-fire site,
> brown land, buffalo paddock, armadillo reserve, Shannon airport,
> Norfolk Broads, Serengeti Ecosystem, pasturage, vale, dell,
> clearing, field, polder, foreshore land, manor, demesne, paddy,
> irrigated millet terrace, park, howe, boulevard, golf course,
> Quidditch arena, playing field of Eton, Waterloo battlesite,
> Dagorlag battlesite, Demilitarized Zone, Piccadilly Circus,
> Madison Square Garden, Red Square, Champs-Élysées, Rath Dinen,
> Pelennor Field, courtyard of the Houses of Healing or Sam
> Gamgee's veggie garden.
LOL - check.
> 6. Therefore can safely eliminate some of the items on my list such as
> known mallorns, Old Man Willow and The Angry Tree In the Old Forest
> Which Tried To Drop a Dead Branch On the Hobbits.
Check.
> We can also eliminate #31 because it isn't a tree at all,
> it's apparently Treebeard himself, and even if it were a tree Öjevind
> has ruled it out.
I'm still not sure that that tree is Treebeard, but whatever the case may
be, that tree is not the one I am referring to.
> Now here is the real interesting part. Consider this passage:
>
> A little way beyond the battle-field they made their camp under
> a spreading tree: it looked like a chestnut, and yet it still bore
> many broad brown leaves of a former year, like dry hands with long
> splayed fingers; they rattled mournfully in the night-breeze.
>
> This is a tree of unknown species. It *looked* like a chestnut, but
> might not have been. Whatever it was, it grew not in a forest, but on
> the Plains of Rohan; *near* -- but not *in* -- Fangorn Forest.
>
> This could not be Öjevind's tree. That's because there is not another
> tree of the exact species mentioned in the Trilogy, and Öjevind,
> even were he a professional sylvan botanist or an arboriculturalist,
> would have no way of knowing if this particular unknown tree type does
> grow in a forest, either in our world's or Tolkien's.
>
> By the same reasoning we can eliminate any other tree of unknown type,
> unless it explicitly appears at least twice in the story, of which once
> is in a forest and once isn't.
>
> This is not a question, guess, query or long shot.
Hm. It could be a tree of unknown type. That is to say, Tolkien never tells
us what species it belongs to.
Öjevind
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