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   From: jgoldie247@btinternet.com   
      
   Troels Forchhammer wrote:   
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   > Paul S.	Person  spoke these   
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   >> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:29:27 +0200, Troels Forchhammer   
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   >>>> I don't remember reading anything about Orcs shunning sunlight   
   >>>> in  the Sil.   
   >>> That was one of my conclusions also -- there are hints, even, that   
   >>> they fight in direct sunlight without any ill effects.   
   >> Was there any sunlight to shun?   
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   > I believe that there was. At the Nirnaeth we hear in CoH that   
   >     Now [Turgon] hastened to the aid of his brother; and the   
   >     Noldor of Gondolin were strong and their rinks shone like   
   >     a river of steel in the sun, for the sword and harness of   
   >     the	least of the warriors of Turgon was worth more than the   
   >     ransom of any king among Men.   
   >     (CoH ch. II 'The Battle of Unnumbered Tears')   
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   > So Turgon arrived at the battle in sunlight on the fifth morning of   
   > the battle, and the story goes on to say that 'Now the phalanx of the   
   > guard of the King broke through the ranks of the Orcs, and Turgon   
   > hewed his way to the side of his brother.' so there were definitely   
   > Orcs fighting in the sunlight when Turgon arrived. the Nirnaeth   
   > Arnoediad ended 'as the Sun went down beyond the Sea,' implying, IMO,   
   > that not only had Turgon arrived in sunlight, but the whole day had   
   > been fought under the Sun.   
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   > Incidentally I found also the hint in CoH that I had not found   
   > earlier, that the Orcs didn't _like_ the Sun, albeit their hatred,   
   > IMO, is nowhere near as strong as implied in LotR:   
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   That was a long time in the past, by the time of LotR.  By the time of   
   Bilbo Orcs had been hating the sun and shunning it because of their   
   hatred for a long time.  Habit and custom are strong - and what was   
   just hatred for previous generations can become fear and loathing -   
   almost to the point of phobia - to subsequent generations, passed down   
   from generation to generation.   
      
      
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