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   From: the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm   
      
   On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 05:43:12 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:   
   >   
   > On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:39:16 -0500, Stan Brown   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:26:14 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:   
   > >> Yes. It depicts the perceived attitudes of Sanders and Clinton.   
   > >   
   > >No, it depicts the attitudes of one group of people TOWARD Sanders   
   > >and Clinton. Other groups of people would have different attitudes.   
   > >Most Republicans, of course, would regard it as a choice between   
   > >Saruman and Sauron, though they might disagree about which was which.   
   >   
   > What do you think "perceived" means?   
      
   I know what "perceived" means. I also know what "of" means.   
   "Perceived attitudes of (names)" means the attitudes that some   
   unnamed persons perceive (names) to hold. It does not mean the   
   attitudes that (names) actually hold, nor does it mean the attitudes   
   that those unnamed persons hold.   
      
   "Perceived" in this context is stupid anyway, apart from the wrong   
   choice of preposition. It implies, falsely, that particular attitudes   
   towards those politicians are generally held.   
      
   This subthread has lost whatever slim relevance that it might have   
   had to Tolkien. I won't respond to it any further, so if you want the   
   last word you may have it.   
      
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