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   Steve Hayes to psperson@ix.netscom.com.invalid   
   Re: Does Satanism predate Christianity?   
   18 Aug 18 05:23:48   
   
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   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:28:12 -0700, Paul S. Person   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:13:35 +0200, Steve Hayes   
   > wrote:   
   >>But I suspect that the connection between Set and Satan is another   
   >>product of the Renaissance, as indeed is the Tarot itself.   
   >>   
   >>Any ideas, anyone?   
   >   
   >A long time ago, I purchased two books by Jeffrey Burton Russell (/The   
   >Devil: Perceptions of Evil from Antiquity to Primitive Christianity/   
   >and /Satan: The Early Christian Tradition/) and read them, but I don't   
   >remember much about them. There may have been more in the series.   
   >   
   >They may be of some help to you, if they are still available from   
   >(say) a local library.   
   >   
   >Of course, since I bought them in 1982, if these were based on   
   >Contemporary Scholarship, it is possible that Contemporary Scholarship   
   >has moved on, and they are now ... out of date.   
      
   Yes, he wrote a whole series of books:   
      
   Russell, Jeffrey Burton. 1977. The devil: perceptions of evil   
                  from antiquity to primitive Christianity. Ithaca,   
                  NY: Cornell University Press.   
                  Dewey: 291.26   
      
   Russell, Jeffrey Burton. 1981. Satan: the early Christian   
                  tradition. Cornell University Press: Ithaca.   
                  ISBN: 0-8014-1267-6   
                  Dewey: 235.470 901 RUS   
                      Teaching on Satan and demons in the pre-Nicene   
                      Fathers and in Augustine, including Ignatius,   
                      Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin.   
      
   Russell, Jeffrey Burton. 1984. Lucifer: the devil in the Middle   
                  Ages. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.   
                  Dewey: 235.47 RUSS   
      
   Russell, Jeffrey Burton. 1986. Mephistopheles: the devil in the   
                  modern world. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.   
                  ISBN: 0-8014-1808-9   
                  Dewey: 235.40903 RUSS   
      
   Russell, Jeffrey Burton. 1988. The Prince of Darkness: radical   
                  evil and the power of good in history. Ithaca, NY:   
                  Cornell University Press.   
                  ISBN: 0-8014-2014-8   
                  Dewey: 235.47   
      
      
   Perhaps it's time to have another look at them!   
      
   >Also, somewhere (/The White Goddess/, perhaps) Robert Graves suggested   
   >that the ancient witches of Greece rubbed their feet with a psychedlic   
   >salve which made them /feel/ like they were flying through the air   
   >(because they could no longer feel the ground). Their traditions may   
   >or may not have been handed down for generations to the time of the   
   >later witch hunts, and whatever Greek deity /they/ worshipped may well   
   >have eventually become Satan.   
      
   The notion that witches can fly seems to be a bit more widespread than   
   that.   
      
   I don't have access to the Russell books at the moment, but if you   
   still have yours, perhaps you could check to see iuf there is any   
   reference to Satanism.   
      
   I did once read a novel that claimed that the Yazidi religion of the   
   Middle East was Satanism.   
      
      
      
      
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