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|    gmail.com" to Steve Hayes    |
|    Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials:    |
|    23 Dec 04 15:58:24    |
      XPost: alt.fan.tolkien, rec.arts.books, rec.arts.sf.written       From: "@              Perhaps you didn't read very carefully: Pullman railed against       asceticism from the positions of Siddhartha and Nietzche, argued against       the 'Church''s position of treating it as an intrinsic, a priori good       (note: this is pullman's position, not mine, or entirely factual). His       characters engage in it at the end out of a position of utilitarianism;       it worked to be a far greater good for them to sacrifice it (your       'asceticism') and not partake, then for them to engage in it. One       choice does not a lifestyle make. And besides, it was necessary to make       the end sad.              ~Maru              Steve Hayes wrote:       > I'd say the opposite.       >       > Lewis gets preachy at times (especially about how bad it is to lock oneself       > into wardrobes, in twee asides to the reader), but nothing like Pullman.       >       > And at least Lewis is consistent. Pullman rants against Christian asceticism       > most of the way through all three books, and then has his hero and heroine       > embrace it (or something very like it) at the end.       >       >              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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