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   From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com   
      
   On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:15:18 +0300, Morgil  wrote:   
      
   >Joseph wrote:   
   >>>It seems equally plausible to me that Elrond and Cirdan did not   
   >>>compel Isildur because they valued the autonomy of the person.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I agree. The crux of the issue, was Man's inherent weakness. This could not   
   >> be corrected by outsiders. This would have to be corrected internally, by   
   >> men themselves, one day.   
   >   
   >Movie-ism. Gandalf makes it quite clear in the book that   
   >the Ring was even more dangerous for those who held great   
   >power themselves. He himself would not take it even for   
   >safekeeping. The whole "Men are weak"-nonsense is purely   
   >a fabrication of the filmmakers.   
      
   Gandalf also says, when he reappears to the hobbits after his encounter with   
   the balrog, that Sauron cannot know their plans. He fears a champion wuill use   
   the ring to overpower him, but cannot conceive that they might try to destroy   
   the ring itself.   
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