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   From: joseph@nospam.com   
      
   > Movie-ism. Gandalf makes it quite clear in the book that   
   > the Ring was even more dangerous for those who held great   
   > power themselves. He himself would not take it even for   
   > safekeeping.   
      
   I disagree. Gandalf had the strength NOT to take the ring! True strength   
   should not be measured as the ability to withstand *external* pressures and   
   forces. True strength is the ability to control *one's own* drives and   
   desires. Gandalf had this strength. That was Tolkien's point.   
      
   - Joseph   
      
   "Morgil"  wrote in message   
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   > Joseph wrote:   
   >>>It seems equally plausible to me that Elrond and Cirdan did not   
   >>>compel Isildur because they valued the autonomy of the person.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I agree. The crux of the issue, was Man's inherent weakness. This could   
   >> not be corrected by outsiders. This would have to be corrected   
   >> internally, by men themselves, one day.   
   >   
   > Movie-ism. Gandalf makes it quite clear in the book that   
   > the Ring was even more dangerous for those who held great   
   > power themselves. He himself would not take it even for   
   > safekeeping. The whole "Men are weak"-nonsense is purely   
   > a fabrication of the filmmakers.   
   >   
   > Morgil   
      
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