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   From: morestelx@hotmail.com   
      
   Joseph wrote:   
   > "Morgil"   
   >   
   >>You disagree with what?   
   >   
   >   
   > I disagree with your original assertion that the issue of 'the weakness of   
   > men' is an innovation of the movie makers and does not stem from Tolkien's   
   > writings. It does. Pointing out that either other races had their own   
   > weaknesses, or that certain men were able to overcome their own personal   
   > challenges (i.e. Faramir) doesn't destroy this position.   
      
   Of course it does. If Faramir could resist the Ring, then there   
   could not have been an "inherent weakness" that all Men share,   
   which would force Isildur to fall into Ring-temptation, and what   
   we are left with is Isildur's *personal* weakness that caused it.   
   That Isildur failed because "Men are weak", is a movie invention,   
   as is the bizarre human-hating Elrond who says such things.   
      
   Morgil   
      
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