XPost: alt.books.cs-lewis, rec.arts.books.tolkien
From: spamgard@blueyonder.co.uk
Morgil wrote:
> Joseph wrote:
>
>> It was time for the race of Men to inherit ME. In order for them to
>> grow into the position of responsible custodians of ME, and of their
>> own destiny, they would have to *earn* ME, not have it handed to
>> them on a silver platter. The task at hand would be for *men* to
>> overcome their own weakness for power and thereby earn the
>> custodianship of ME. This theme is inherent in the basic argument of
>> Tolkien's LOTR. This is *not* an invention of the movie.
>
> BTW, the idea that desire for power was a particular weakness
> of Men is also a movie fabrication. In Tolkien's Middle-earth
> the unique weakness of Men was a desire for immortality.
Yes.
Movie = "above all else, they desired power"
[Ring scene in prologue to movie]
Book = "mortal men, doomed to die"
[Ring verse at front of the book]
>> Elrond didn't compel Isildur to destroy the ring, because that
>> wouldn't have acheived the stated goal (Tolkien's goal). The goal
>> was never to simply have the ring destroyed, but rather to have
>> *man* destroy the ring.
>
> This idea is so weird that even the filmmakers didn't come up
> with anything like it. If Elrond or Gandalf had known another
> way to destroy the Ring, they most certainly would have used it.
I think he meant the idea was that Men would take responsibility for the
Ring and they would destroy it on their own. This seems to come from the
"Aragorn undoing the sins of Isildur" theme in the movie. Which is
faintly present in the book as "it seemed fit that Isildur's heir should
labour to repair Isildur's fault".
Christopher
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