XPost: alt.books.cs-lewis, rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: hallaril@hotmail.com   
      
   In rec.arts.books.tolkien Joseph  wrote:   
      
   > I don't get your code of morality. If an individual suffers because his poor   
   > behavior doesn't conform to proper conduct (e.g. prisoner goes to prison),   
   > who's fault is that?   
      
      
   snip   
      
   > So if Gollum wouldn't give Gandalf the information he needed, and   
   > subsequently suffered fear of harsh interrogation how is that suffering   
   > Gandalf's responsibility? Gollum brought it upon himself.   
   snip   
      
   (about actually using fire)   
      
   > I guess he'd have done what he had to do. The choice of whether to suffer   
   > would have been Gollum's. But in any event, it never went that far.   
      
      
   You don't get a code of morality that says that torture is wrong ín all   
   circumstances? Not everybody would agree (even I don't fully), but it's a   
   pretty common view:), and if you don't understand why many (most) people   
   have that code of morality, I don't get you.   
      
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