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   Steve Hayes to Morgil   
   Myth and symbol (was: Re: Tolkien's Crea   
   23 Dec 06 07:26:08   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien, alt.books.cs-lewis   
   From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:11:25 +0200, Morgil  wrote:   
      
   >Jamie Andrews; real address @ bottom of message wrote:   
   >   
   >>      There are some passages here and there in Tolkien and Lewis   
   >> about the Bible being a myth, and the phrase "lies breathed   
   >> through silver", and the idea of the Christian story being a   
   >> "true myth".  I must confess I never really grasped any of that   
   >> very well, in part because some of it appears as fragments of   
   >> conversations incompletely reported.  But the intent seems to be   
   >> that the Bible contains deep, fundamental truths despite not   
   >> being literally "true" in a scientific sense.   
   >   
   >It might be interesting to discuss if the same   
   >could be said about The Da Vinci Code. :-)   
      
   The nature of myth.   
            Source: Berdyaev 1948:70.   
       Myth is a reality immeasurably greater than concept. It is   
     high time that we stopped identifying myth with invention,   
     with the illusions of primitive mentality, and with anything,   
     in fact, which is essentially opposed to reality... The   
     creation of myths among peoples denotes a real spiritual life,   
     more real indeed than that of abstract concepts and rational   
     thought. Myth is always concrete and expresses life better   
     than abstract thought can do; its nature is bound up with that   
     of symbol. Myth is the concrete recital of events and original   
     phenomena of the spiritual life symbolized in the natural   
     world, which has engraved itself on the language memory and   
     creative energy of the people... it brings two worlds together   
     symbolically.   
      
   The purpose of literature.   
            Source: Garner 1997:27.   
       "It is a paradox: yet one so important that I must restate   
     it. The job of a storyteller is to speak the truth; but what   
     we feel most deeply cannot be spoken in words. At this level   
     only images connect. And so story become symbol, and symbol is   
     myth.   
      
     I am using the word 'myth' not as meaning 'fiction' or   
     'unhistorical', but as a complex story that, for various   
     reasons, human beings see as demonstrations of the inner cause   
     of the universe and of human life. Myth is quite different   
     from philosophy in the sense of abstract concepts. The form of   
     myth is concrete always, yet it holds those qualities that   
     demand of the human mind that it recognise a revelation of the   
     function behind the world. Revelation is not always the same   
     as total understanding. It can be a request such as Oliver   
     Cromwell offered to the General Assembly of the Church of   
     Scotloand in 1650: 'I bessech you, in the bowels of Christ,   
     think it possible that you may be mistaken.' Myth is not an   
     invitation to be cocky as to what the Holy Ghost may have had   
     in mind. 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are   
     your ways my ways, saith the Lord.' It is one of the main   
     errors of historical and rational analysis to suppose that the   
     'original form' of a myth can be separated from its miraculous   
     elements. 'Wonder is only the first glimpse of the start of   
     philosophy,' says Plato. Aristotle is more explicit, 'The   
     lover of myths, which are a compound of wonders, is, by his   
     being in that very state, a lover of wisdom.. Myth   
     encapsulates the nearest approach to absolute truth that words   
     can speak. The wall and the rune. If the young man on a tree   
     stump is a Parzival, 'to get aback of' is the Quest of the   
     Grail."   
      
      
   --   
   Steve Hayes   
   Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/litmain.htm   
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