XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: bobkolker@attbi.com   
      
   Stan Brown wrote:   
      
   > In article <3fa5be56.53296499@news.saix.net> in   
   > rec.arts.books.tolkien, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Is the idea of death as a punishment really part of Judaism?   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes, of course. It's in Genesis -- along with painful childbirth and   
   > having to work for food.   
      
   There is no evidence in Genisis that the man would have lived forever   
   (in the physical sense). The pain of childbirth was a punishment on Eve,   
   but natural for all subsequent women. Working for one's living was a   
   consequence of being expelled from Eden. Part of eating of the fruit of   
   knowledge was knowing that nothing is really for free. TANSTAAFL.   
      
   Bob Kolker   
      
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