XPost: alt.books.cs-lewis, rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: kts@socrates.Berkeley.EDU   
      
   In article <1176346580.772391.13260@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,   
    wrote:   
   >Seems to me that the Calormenes are clearly intended to be fictional.   
   >They are pagans (clearly unlike the Muslems, and I am quite certain   
   >Lewis understands the difference). Their culture seems inspired by   
   >(1) Babylonian, (2) Persian, (3) perhaps Muslim, and (perhaps most   
   >importantly) (4) the modern secular West.   
      
   I'd say (1), (2), of course; (3) if there's anything specifically   
   Muslim, as opposed to Arab, I don't know what it is; and (4) not at all   
   importantly. Unless you're thinking of _The Last Battle_ where the Ape   
   and the Tarkaan seem to have a program of industrialization and cutting   
   down forests for profit. But that bit feels rather forced into the   
   story to me. It's like, industrialization is Evil; Calormen is Evil;   
   therefore they're the same. I'm not convinced.   
      
   >... Hence, Lewis is suggesting to his   
   >target audience (English children) that they live in enemy territory,   
   >and if they would seek out a more wholesome environment, community,   
   >and value system, they must undertake similar spiritual journeys, and   
   >make similar sacrifices, to that of Aravis, Shasta, Hwin and Bree.   
      
   Yes, undoubtedly, "journey out of enemy territory" is a valid reading.   
   But this reading doesn't require Calormen=England. Quite the opposite,   
   Lewis is constantly pointing out how exotic the setting is to the   
   reader. What do we see in Calormen?   
      
   -- Most obviously, slavery, which to an English child would be obviously   
   horrible *and* obviously could only happen long ago and far away. An   
   extreme divide between rich and poor, with fanciful luxuries for the rich:   
   like baths of asses' milk, which the reader probably never heard of before.   
   Noblemen have strange status symbols, like dyeing their beards.   
   Certainly no mass-produced consumer products marketed to the proles.   
      
   -- An absolute dictatorship where the king has the cook killed if he   
   doesn't like his dinner, and people are forced to pretend they think   
   he's going to live forever. Also, the story doesn't say explicitly,   
   but he's unlikely to have 18 sons without a big harem. Exotic again.   
      
   -- Fathers forcing their daughters to marry at a young age -- something   
   that is explained explicitly, *because* it's different from what the   
   reader is used to.   
      
   -- Flowery, elaborate, formal language with many circumlocutions, much   
   different from Shasta's "normal" speech (and must have been tremendous   
   fun to write!). And noble youths are trained in storytelling, which is   
   specifically contrasted with English schools: "people wanted to hear   
   the stories, but nobody wants to read the essays".   
      
   >The identification of Calormene with modern England was introduced as   
   >early as VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER, where Eustace, the rotten child   
   >of "Modern" "Up-To-Date" Parents, and a champion of their "Modern" "Up-   
   >To-Date" values, rages about how backward and barbaric the Narnians   
   >are. In one of the diary scribblings he has favorable things to say   
   >about Calormen, which (to his mind) seems the least backward of all   
   >these nations. The reason why is obvious: Calormene is most like   
   >modern Britain.   
      
   Wellll, they are said to have more trade and wealth than Narnia, which   
   is what Eustace approves, but at that point they're mainly   
   characterized by *slavery*, and by elaborate formal language. Even   
   Eustace of the beginning of the book wouldn't actually enjoy Calormen,   
   he's just rooting for them because they're against Narnia and so is   
   he.   
      
   In short, Calormen is a fairy-tale land, which is morally inferior to   
   Narnia in different ways than England is. England is represented by   
   England, in the beginning/end bits of _Dawn Treader_ and _The Silver   
   Chair_.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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