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   From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com   
      
   On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:10:37 GMT, "William Cloud Hicklin"   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:08:26 -0400, Dirk Thierbach   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> Christians have been doing crusades under the pretext that "God commanded   
   >> it." Can we now conclude that all Christians have as their only goal   
   >> war on non-christians, and are doing exactly what they religion tells   
   >> them to? Please get real.   
   >   
   >Please stop bringing up millennium-old events.  The jihad is taking place   
   >*right now*. But, if you insist on the comparison- the Crusades were   
   >entirely voluntary.  *All* Muslims are commanded to wage jihad (or   
   >contribute to it, if personally unable). Perhaps the worst perversion of   
   >Christianiy associated with the Crusades was the notion of 'holy   
   >violence:' God wants 'em dead, if you get killed you go straight to   
   >Heaven.  Gee, where did Pope Urban get such a wild idea? Oh, that's   
   >right... Islam. Except that the Muslim version is hard-coded into the   
   >Quran, the Word of Allah > Gabriel > Muhammed.   
   >   
   >I don't doubt that Muslims you know deny it.  Just like old people you   
   >know deny ever having supported the NSDAP. I'm sure Muhammed Atta didn't   
   >run around Hamburg shouting "Death to America." It's called 'taqqiyah,'   
   >roughly the same as KGB-speak 'disinformazia." Essentially, "Pay no   
   >attention to the man behind the curtain.  Nobody in here but us chickens.   
   >Just go to sleep."   
      
   Are you saying that Tolkien depicted all that through the orcs in LOTR?   
      
      
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