XPost: alt.books.cs-lewis, rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com   
      
   On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:13:55 +0300, Morgil  wrote:   
      
   >Steve Hayes wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:51:02 +0300, Morgil  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>nystulc@cs.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Öjevind Lång wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>Do you mean that there was an element of anti-Muslim sentiment in   
   >>>>>his depiction of the calormenes?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>No.  That's not what I meant.  That's what I thought YOU meant, and   
   >>>>that was the proposition I was asking if you could defend.  You seem   
   >>>>to have completely failed so far.  Specifically, I am referring to the   
   >>>>following proposition, by another poster, which you agreed with:   
   >>>>"I've always felt it bears a resemblance to a pseudo-Christian bigot's   
   >>>>idea of Islam.  I _hope_ Lewis didn't intend that, but I'm afraid he   
   >>>>might have."   
   >>>   
   >>>How about that thing where these West Asian people   
   >>>come up with an evil plot to make it look like their   
   >>>bloodthirsty demon-god was in fact the same person as   
   >>>the benevolent Aslan, to get the more naiive Narnians   
   >>>to accept him. Do you think that points to ancient   
   >>>Mesopotamians or Persians too, and has nothing to do   
   >>>with how pseudo-Christian bigots would view Islam?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> That is even more far-fetched.   
   >   
   >Can you explain why?   
      
   Because it sounds like the bloke who, learning that both tiders and bottles of   
   poison were killers, but a tiger and a bottle of poison into a rign and waited   
   for them to fight it out.   
      
   Or the one who wanted to watch a battle between the breast stroke and   
   polarised light.   
      
   Your paragraph simply has too many questionable hypothetical assumptions piled   
   up there.   
      
   >> They aren't Wexst Asian people, they are Calormenes. There is no Asia in   
   >> Narnia, and even the constellations of the stars are different.   
   >   
   >The previous posters had already agreed that Calormenes   
   >bear a resemblence to the West Asian people. Question   
   >was wheter they were modeled after Muslims or older   
   >civilizations.   
      
   But the resemblance is tenuous. There are some respects in which Narnia   
   represents England -- but that doesn't mean but there are other resepcts in   
   which it resembles pre-Christian Greece or Italy with fauns etc prancing   
   around. But you will look in vain for sewing machines in Herodotus.   
      
      
   >  Or are you   
   >> determined to show that Lewis was a"pseudo-Christian bigot"? What evidence   
   do   
   >> you have that his Christianity was false?   
   >   
   >Again, the question wasn't wheter Lewis was one, but   
   >if his writings beared a resemblence to their ideas.   
      
      
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