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   Message 809 of 1,925   
   Steve Hayes to icelofangeln@mindspring.com   
   Re: Inklings and Islam is there a connec   
   16 Apr 07 23:34:29   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien, alt.books.cs-lewis   
   From: hayesmstw@hotmail.com   
      
   On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:45:14 GMT, "William Cloud Hicklin"   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:30:27 -0400, Öjevind Lång   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> "Larry Swain"  skrev i meddelandet   
   >> news:wqydnUvmwrfYnb3bnZ2dnUVZ_tTinZ2d@rcn.net...   
   >>   
   >> [snip]   
   >>   
   >>>> And the Bible has also lots of "interesting" things "hard-coded" into   
   >>>> it, for example Slavery.   
   >>>   
   >>> And freedom from slavery, and releasing slaves......   
   >>   
   >> There is no mention in the Bible of slavery being wrong, and for a long   
   >> time   
   >> afterwards, no Christian suggested it either. In fact, both St. Augustine   
   >> and Thomas Aquinas declared that slavery was an institution sanctioned by   
   >> God, as a punishment for human sinfulness. Which of course doesn't mean   
   >> that   
   >> all Christians think that to be the case.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Yes.  In fact, slavery is just the tip of the iceberg: slavery, rapine,   
   >genocide, oppression of [insert victim group], you name it, we've   
   >committed every crime on the list.  But that's not significant.   
   >   
   >So also has *every other culture* in history.  But even that's not   
   >significant.   
   >   
   >What's significant is that we, alone, the Christian, European, Caucasian   
   >West, the despised White Male Patriarchy, have been the one culture which   
   >gradually reached the conclusion that these things might be wrong, and   
   >stopped doing them. Eventually we've persuaded most of the rest of the   
   >world to follow along (slowly- Saudi Arabia only abolished slavery in   
   >1963).  But acceptance is by no means universal. The present enemy rejects   
   >virtually all the "Enlightenment" values, and its victory would represent   
   >a return to the state of barbarism which the West has painfully risen   
   >above.   
      
   The Caucasians are no more Western than the inhabitants of Saudi Arabia - they   
   live at about the same longitude. And think of that great Caucasian, Stalin,   
   who was probably regarded as a good candidate for the Antichrist in his day.   
      
      
   --   
   Steve Hayes   
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