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   From: jwkenne@attglobal.net   
      
   stephen@nomail.com wrote:   
   > John W. Kennedy  wrote:   
   >> stephen@nomail.com wrote:   
   >>> John W. Kennedy  wrote:   
   >>>> darylgene@aol.com wrote:   
   >>>>> I would simply say,   
   >>>>> again, that if the concept of God has any referent it must have   
   >>>>> boundries. Unless you think everyone worships the same God you have to   
   >>>>> make distinctions. If a person is a Christian, no matter what they   
   >>>>> believe, just because they say they are, the term is meaningless, no?   
   >>>> I quite agree that I would be happy if such devil worshipers as Pat   
   >>>> Robertson and George W. Bush would stop calling themselves "Christian",   
   >>>> but it remains the case that if you deny that Jews worship the same God   
   >>>> that Christians do, your /own/ Christianity is put into serious doubt,   
   >>>> "for Salvation is of the Jews".   
   >>> How exactly have you concluded that Pat Robertson and George W. Bush   
   >>> are devil worshipers?  They seem to believe that they are worshiping   
   >>> the God of the Bible.  Do you think that they secretly address their   
   >>> prayers to Satan?  Or do you think that despite their belief that   
   >>> they are worshiping the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God that their actions   
   >>> indicate they are mistaken, and are instead worshiping something else?   
   >   
   >> Tashlan. They have their reward.   
   >   
   > That does not really answer the question.  Do you think Robertson and Bush   
   > think they are worshipping the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God, or do you   
   > think they think they are worshipping the Devil?   
      
   I suppose that depends on what you mean by "think". There can be no   
   serious doubt that Robertson believes that he is, in some sense of   
   historic continuity, a Christian, but the evil-twin-of-Santa-Claus that   
   he has in mind when he says "God" can hardly be reconciled with that. I   
   am not sure about Bush's religion at all; he might fall into the same   
   category as Robertson, or (according to some rumors) it might be all an   
   act to fool the proles.   
      
   But what they both actually worship is power and pride, Mammon and Moloch.   
      
   --   
   John W. Kennedy   
   "...when you're trying to build a house of cards, the last thing you   
   should do is blow hard and wave your hands like a madman."   
      --  Rupert Goodwins   
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