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   Larry Swain (theswain@operamail.com) wrote:   
      
   > Bill Baldwin wrote:   
   >> Larry Swain (theswain@operamail.com) wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>Bill Baldwin wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>darylgene@aol.com (darylgene@aol.com) wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Larry Swain  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Bill Baldwin wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>At the same time, the analogy you use could be used against   
   >>>>>>Christians by Muslims and Jews (and has been actually) to show   
   >>>>>>that indeed the Christians worship a different God from the   
   >>>>>>one they do   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yep, I think they would be right.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I agree. I'm puzzled as to why the above would considered a   
   >>>>point against my claim.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>A debating point that can be turned around and used against you   
   >>>without blinking an eye isn't much of a debating point.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Ok, but this one can't. I'm not sure why you think you have done   
   >> so. It's like me saying Americans are not British. And you reply,   
   >> well a British person would claim that Brits are not Americans.   
   >>   
   >> Why yes. That's true.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>BTW, the   
   >>>Muslims and Jews who have used that analogy against Christians   
   >>>have used in a manner to prove that the Christians are the   
   >>>heretics and worshipping the wrong god.  And you claim to agree   
   >>>with them.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I claim to agree that we worship a different God, yes.   
   >>   
   > You seem to be missing the point.  The point was about who was   
   > right.   
      
   Well, no. At least that's not how this discussion got started.   
      
   > You claim that you worship a different god than they and   
   > they have it wrong.  Those who have used the same argument against   
   > Christianity also claim to worship a different god than the   
   > Christians and that you have it wrong and they have it right.  Any   
   > argument and debating point that works both ways and consists of   
   > "You've got wrong"  "No, you have it wrong" and is based on   
   > nothing other than your firmly held belief isn't much of a   
   > discussion, argument, or debating point.   
   >   
      
   That's not the conversation I thought I was having. I was having a   
   conversation in which I said, I believe the God I worship is not the   
   same as the one described by Islam. I was then told that it was not   
   logically possible to take such a position. My sole point has been to   
   say, yes, yes it is logically possible. You don't have to agree that   
   I'm right to see that.   
      
   > Besides, you have yet to establish that we are talking about   
   > different divinities here much less that yours is the right one.   
   >   
      
   I have explained why I believe the divinities to be different. I   
   believe my explanation has been cogent and allows the reader to   
   understand where I draw the line and why. I haven't really gotten as   
   far as trying to persuade anyone that I'm right to draw the line   
   there or that they should as well.   
      
   --   
   Bill Baldwin   
   http://bettercovenant.wordpress.com/   
      
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