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   From: jwkenne@attglobal.net   
      
   stephen@nomail.com wrote:   
   > John W. Kennedy  wrote:   
   >> stephen@nomail.com wrote:   
   >>> John W. Kennedy  wrote:   
   >>>> stephen@nomail.com wrote:   
   >>>>> John W. Kennedy  wrote:   
   >>>>>> darylgene@aol.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>> I would simply say,   
   >>>>>>> again, that if the concept of God has any referent it must have   
   >>>>>>> boundries. Unless you think everyone worships the same God you have to   
   >>>>>>> make distinctions. If a person is a Christian, no matter what they   
   >>>>>>> believe, just because they say they are, the term is meaningless, no?   
   >>>>>> I quite agree that I would be happy if such devil worshipers as Pat   
   >>>>>> Robertson and George W. Bush would stop calling themselves "Christian",   
   >>>>>> but it remains the case that if you deny that Jews worship the same God   
   >>>>>> that Christians do, your /own/ Christianity is put into serious doubt,   
   >>>>>> "for Salvation is of the Jews".   
   >>>>> How exactly have you concluded that Pat Robertson and George W. Bush   
   >>>>> are devil worshipers?  They seem to believe that they are worshiping   
   >>>>> the God of the Bible.  Do you think that they secretly address their   
   >>>>> prayers to Satan?  Or do you think that despite their belief that   
   >>>>> they are worshiping the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God that their actions   
   >>>>> indicate they are mistaken, and are instead worshiping something else?   
   >>>> Tashlan. They have their reward.   
   >>> That does not really answer the question.  Do you think Robertson and Bush   
   >>> think they are worshipping the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God, or do you   
   >>> think they think they are worshipping the Devil?   
   >   
   >> I suppose that depends on what you mean by "think". There can be no   
   >> serious doubt that Robertson believes that he is, in some sense of   
   >> historic continuity, a Christian, but the evil-twin-of-Santa-Claus that   
   >> he has in mind when he says "God" can hardly be reconciled with that.   
   >   
   > And some people cannot reconcile the God Muslim's apparently have in mind   
   with   
   > the Christian God they have in mind.  Why are you right about Robertson and   
   his "God",   
   > but those others are wrong about Islam and the Christian God?   
      
   Because Moslems are a group of many, many diverse persons, some wicked,   
   some good, and some indifferent, and God only knows what is in each   
   one's heart, whereas Robertson and Bush are individuals who have made   
   their servitude to Hell quite clear.   
      
      "Noi siam venuti al loco ov'i' t'ho detto   
         che tu vedrai le genti dolorose   
       c'hanno perduto il ben de l'intelletto."   
      
      
      
   --   
   John W. Kennedy   
   "Compact is becoming contract,   
   Man only earns and pays."   
      -- Charles Williams.  "Bors to Elayne:  On the King's Coins"   
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