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   From: theswain@operamail.com   
      
   Bill Baldwin wrote:   
   > Larry Swain (theswain@operamail.com) wrote:   
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   >>Bill Baldwin wrote:   
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   >>>Larry Swain (theswain@operamail.com) wrote:   
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   >>>   
   >>>>Bill Baldwin wrote:   
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   >>>>>Larry Swain (theswain@operamail.com) wrote:   
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   >>>>>>Second, your examples of the Voodoo priest and Hindus are   
   >>>>>>inaccurate. Neither of those claims to worship Jesus as the   
   >>>>>>"son of YHWH who appeared to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses";   
   >>>>>>as for Jews, Muslims, and Chrisitians, they do in fact say that   
   >>>>>>they are worshipping the YHWH who appeared to Abraham, Isaac,   
   >>>>>>Jacob, and Moses among others and who created all that there   
   >>>>>>is, i. e. the same divine being.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Ok, now we have an answer. You believe that the irreducible core   
   >>>>>of worship of the God of Abraham can be expressed as you have   
   >>>>>just expressed it. Any attempt to cast the net more broadly will   
   >>>>>result in bringing disparate worshipers together by a fallacy of   
   >>>>>equivocation saying they worship the same God when clearly the   
   >>>>>gods they worship differ. Any attempt to draw the lines more   
   >>>>>narrowly will result in denying that others who worship the same   
   >>>>>God (as you define that term) when in fact they do.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Daryl disagrees with where you draw that line. So do I.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>On what grounds?   
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   >>>   
   >>>I can't answer for Daryl. My answer is this. Jesus and the New   
   >>>Testament declare that no one can come to the Father except   
   >>>through him.   
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   >>Jesus in the very late gospel of John says this, yes.  Guess   
   >>Abraham and Moses and Isaiah don't make it in your view.   
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   >   
   > That's incorrect. I believe I've been clear. I guess you're still   
   > having difficulty understanding.   
      
   Nope.  If we apply your misunderstanding of this verse in the way you   
   want it, it means that people in the Christian Old Testament are out.   
   If you include them, then you've opened some doors I don't think you   
   intend to open.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)