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   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Oct 13, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:<1q3qektpce7rdfvsbqr6os1bul25im6049@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 10:16:41 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 12, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:46:59 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 14:12-14   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works   
   > > > > that I   
   > > > > do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because   
   I   
   > > > > go   
   > > > > unto my Father.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the   
   Father   
   > > > > may be glorified in the Son.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This promise does not belong strictly to the Full Gospel types, neither   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > the Charismatic believers, but to all Born Again Believers who have   
   been   
   > > > > baptized by Jesus according to the prophecy of John the Baptist.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you care to understand the fullness of this scripture continue on   
   from   
   > > > > V15   
   > > > > - 21   
   > > > >   
   > > > > In all these things those that deny the workings of the Heavenly Father   
   > > > > through the Believer miss out on.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Why would anyone want to shun the workings of God in their lives and   
   those   
   > > > > around them is beyond me, and to teach such things is to project the   
   words   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > the evil one and deny from others the blessings of God through the   
   death   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > resurrection.   
   > > >   
   > > > Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the right hand of His Father?   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, but sitting at God's right side signifies being subordanent. And   
   > > > the Scriptures concurr. While Jesus was in Heaven with God:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- King James   
   > > > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every   
   > > > man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of   
   > > > Christ is God.   
   > > >   
   > > > Sincerely James   
   > >   
   > > Corrected your top posting.   
   > >   
   > > Sitting at the right hand of God the Father is a place of the greatest   
   Honor   
   > > that the Heavenly Father can bestow. He sets Jesus before all of mankind.   
   To   
   > > worship as Himself.   
   >   
   > Also, it is a subordinate position. (John 14:28)   
      
   That scripture does not support that at all. Which has been explained to you   
   countless times.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Jesus said, Jhn 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is   
   nothing:   
   > > it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:   
   >   
   > That proves that Jesus is not God, since God honors Himself. For   
   > example see Ex 20:1-11.   
      
   The Lord that is spoken there is the creator. Jesus is the creator.   
      
   “Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,   
   that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;   
   And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the   
   beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus   
   Christ:” (Eph 3:8-9)   
      
   A couple things of note there, Paul spoke of himself as being the least of   
   all Saints, yet the works that he did was perhaps the greatest and most   
   influential of all, even to this day. Paul, like Jesus Humbled himself before   
   his Heavenly Father, as did Jesus. Humility does not mean that a being is a   
   subordinate of another, but that they chose to honor the others over   
   themselves in any manner via humility.   
      
   Plus as it is written, above, Jesus was the creator..... God. Thus you agree   
   with that statement as you stated many times that you believe ALL the   
   scripture. Therefore Jesus IS God. Per your beliefs, yet we all understand   
   that you deny Jesus is God. You, not Scripture.   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto   
   > > you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the   
   Father:   
   > > for my Father is greater than I.   
   >   
   > Thus Jesus can't be God. But if he was what Jesus is saying is 'For I   
   > am greater than myself'.   
      
   He did not say that, you did. Jesus said also not to direct questions and   
   prayers to himself, but to the Heavenly Father, and that He would be the one   
   who did what we asked of the Heavenly Father so that the Heavenly Father   
   would be glorified.   
      
   Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works   
   that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because   
   I go unto my Father.   
      
   Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the   
   Father may be glorified in the Son.   
      
   Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.   
      
   I hope you come to understand these words of Jesus, and not call him a liar.   
   He IS THE Son of God.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > The scriptures do not concur with you. “While Jesus was in Heaven with   
   > > God:” The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than   
   > > you, that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men of   
   any   
   > > religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds   
   began.   
   >   
   > Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.   
      
   Of course the scripture says that, Jesus said it. You claim to despise the   
   idea of a Trinity, yet you keep returning to that concept as if the Godhead   
   is one being. Not one in Unity, but One Person. Using that as justification   
   for defaming Jesus, the one you claim to server and follow. Why do you seek   
   to belittle the one you claim to serve and follow? Is it because you follow   
   the god of this earth as did the Pharisees of old?   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall   
   bow   
   > > to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.   
   > >   
   > > Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in   
   > > heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;   
   > >   
   > > The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.   
   >   
   > The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in   
   > silence".   
      
   Hades is NOT the Grave.   
   >   
   > G3419(Strong)   
   >   
   > μνημεῖον mnēmeion mnay-mi’-on   
   >   
   > From G3420; aremembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave,   
   sepulchre, tomb.   
      
   There, you were reminded of what a Grave is, from the koine greek language.   
      
   Remember it well, do not be known as a persistent liar. And One who parrots   
   the watchtower mag as is it were scripture, or the God of Scripture.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in   
      
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