XPost: alt.bible   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Oct 18, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > A dictionary definition says:   
   >   
   > Death is the permanent cessation of all vital biological functions.   
   > (Merriam-Webster)   
   >   
   > What, nothing more? No, not from a medical standpoint.   
      
   Absolutely correct, from the standpoint of what Godless men define it as.   
   All they see are from the standpoint of the five senses. Those same people   
   can only see death in those terms no matter what book or movie they read or   
   watch. They know nothing else.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > But what about the standpoint of the Bible? How reliable is the Bible?   
      
   Whose standpoint? For instance, the JW, according to you, only accept what   
   they call the “true” Bible or “True” scripture. And those things only   
   they are privy to what is truth and what isn’t. They have to declare that   
   since when people quote the scriptures to them, especially when referring to   
   the original languages used and translated to the language of today, it   
   proves them wrong in so many areas. Plus their hearts are all dead to God the   
   Father.   
      
   > -- King James   
   > 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is   
   > profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction   
   > in righteousness:   
   >   
   > OK, it tells us the whole Bible is inspired of God. So simply, if we   
   > read a true Scripture, it comes from God.   
      
   There is that qualifier word again, “true”. They claim that only the NWT   
   is mostly true, even though they say the errors in it as redefined by the JW   
   are true, even when it is a blatant lie. They are not spiritually Godly. They   
   only have a pretense of it.   
   >   
   > So, contrary to what the churches teach, how does the Bible describe   
   > death?   
      
   What churches? Hindu’s. Buddhists? Church of Satan? The RCC, the Baptist?   
   What?   
   >   
   >   
   > Remember, I can't stress it enough, the following Scriptures are from   
   > God. Not some church, not handed down by men, not a religion, etc. But   
   > from God. So DEATH is:   
      
   A false statement. God told Adam if you eat the fruit of a certain tree you   
   shall die. If I were to tell James the JW that if he drinks a bottle of rat   
   poison that he too shall die, and I responsible for or caused his death? Your   
   statement on its face is a fallacy.   
   > - King James   
   > Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the   
   > dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the   
   > memory of them is forgotten.   
      
   In what sense is a person living? Here it is speaking of the physical, life   
   under the Sun planet/Star.   
      
   Death Comes to All   
      
   Ecc 9:1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that   
   the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man   
   knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.   
      
   Ecc 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous,   
   and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him   
   that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, sois the   
   sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.   
      
   Ecc 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that   
   there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full   
   of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they   
   go to the dead.   
      
   Ecc 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a   
   living dog is better than a dead lion.   
      
   **Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any   
   thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is   
   forgotten. **   
      
   Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;   
   neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under   
   the sun.   
      
   Take a good long look at the scriptures, can a man earn anything after his   
   death? Is there evil in much of what man does? And madness while they live?   
   What happens to all those attitudes when they die.? Is a dead man worth   
   anything?   
      
   A dead man has no more portion of anything under the Sun.   
      
   A dead man is dead. Dead.   
   >   
   >   
   > The dead don't know anything. They thus have an IQ of absolute zero.   
      
   The body of a man never had any IQ. None at any time, try asking a comatose   
   person a question.   
   >   
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy   
   > might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in   
   > the grave, whither thou goest.   
      
   Again I must return you to the context of this scripture.   
      
   Ecc 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life   
   of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy   
   vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou   
   takest under the sun.   
      
   Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there   
   is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou   
   goest.   
      
   As anyone who reads can see, this pertains to those who live life under our   
   Sun. V9 It speaks solely to the physical.   
   >   
   >   
   > No work, or knowledge, or wisdom after you die. Here is that zero IQ   
   > again. So what's another word for that condition of the dead?   
   >   
   > Nonexistence!   
   >   
   > That is why no deceased relatives contact you. They would if they   
   > could. But they can't. They cease to exist until the resurrection.   
   > Both Jesus and Paul refer to the dead as being "asleep". (John 11:11)   
      
   Incorrect. You are mixing the spiritual and the physical as being totally   
   dependent upon each other.   
   To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, for the Born Again   
   Believer.   
      
   2Co 5:6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home   
   in thebody, we are absent from the Lord:   
      
   2Co 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the   
   body, and to be present with the Lord.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > -- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   > 1 Corinthians 11:30 For this reason many of you are weak and ill, and   
   > some have died. {Gk [fallen asleep]}   
      
   You were not quoting “true” scripture. So why quote something you feel   
   supports your dogma if it is not truth, the real truth according to the JW?   
      
   1Co 11:26 or as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew   
   the Lord's death till he come.   
      
   1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the   
   Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.   
      
   1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread,   
   and drink ofthat cup.   
      
   1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh   
   damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.   
      
   1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.   
      
      
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