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   Message 7,921 of 8,788   
   None to James   
   Re: God's Personal Name: What is it? (2/   
   22 Oct 25 16:24:21   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   > > > -- American Standard   
   > > > Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,   
   > > > as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.   
   > > >   
   > > > That is what Ex 6:3 should say.   
   > >   
   > > What I gave you above was the greek translation, from the septuagint.   
   >   
   > Yes, from the 4th or 5th century C.E. See above where the original   
   > Septuagint contained the Tetragramaton. But the Tetragramaton was in   
   > Hebrew letters, not Greek letters.   
   >   
   > > The Greek used in that day and as translated by the Hebrew/Israelite   
   priests.   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus called them "offspring of vipers." They were a terrible   
   > lot.   
      
   That is definitely not true. The priests in the day of Jesus were not the   
   same people who where the priests of Israel 300 years earlier. Can you   
   understand that?   
   >   
   >   
   > > As   
   > > such it said what it said. So why argue about it. As mentioned to you   
   > > before,   
   > > there is no such thing as a religious language. What a word means is what   
   it   
   > > means. God or god, are the same word in English, theos is theos in the   
   > > greek,   
   > > period, no caps, no special punctuations, nothing to distinguish what the   
   > > word means whether it be good or evil. The only reason god is capitalized   
   in   
   > > English is because of bozo’s. People too ignorant to comprehend the   
   > > subject   
   > > within the context it was written. “For this ye know, that no   
   whoremonger,   
   > > nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any   
   > > inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.” (Eph 5:5)   
   > >   
   > > An idolator is one who follows a false god. “Thou shalt have no other   
   gods   
   > > before me.” (Exo 20:3)   
   >   
   > Esp "God's Son" Jesus.   
      
   If what you just said means that you equate Jesus as “Gods Son” means   
   that those who worship him a worshipping an idol. That means, and you have   
   clearly referenced this before that you do not believe all the Bible as you   
   know what Elohiym means yet you disagree with it. And that is found first in   
   Gen 1:1 Plus in many other scriptures, and is also used with the name   
   Yehovah.   
      
   I would suggest to you that you seek Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And   
   choose life everlasting. True life, not some possibility of being kicked   
   outside the city like a dawg.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The NWT has restored the OT Tetragrammaton in all of its nearly 7000   
   > > > > > places.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > >   
   > > > > NWT Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Throughout that chapter the word “God’ was used.   
   > > >   
   > > > The first use of God's name "Jehovah" was at Genesis 2:4:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- American Standard   
   > > > Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth   
   > > > when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and   
   > > > heaven.   
   > >   
   > > They made the same mistake as did the NWT, you want to be technically   
   > > correct? Then stop using the RCC verbiage/transliteration and use the   
   Hebrew   
   > > word “yehovah” Two wrongs do not make a ‘right’.   
   >   
   > There is no one today that knows the exact spelling of that   
   > Tetragramaton. No one. So your guess is as good as anyone else's.   
      
   The Tetragamaton is just four consonants It is not Spelled as Yehovah,   
   Jehovah or God. What Yehovah spoke is written as to who He is and Was. It was   
   determined by men to use those four letters because and out of total respect   
   and fear of the Master of all things.   
      
   Instead of arguing with a severe case of parrotosis, think, learn what it is   
   that you have been taught to parrot, and then or first, learn directly of   
   God, by His spirit seeing His truth, and then compare His truth against that   
   of the watchtower mag as written by godless men. You can only do the latter   
   if you give your life to Jesus, to realize the full benefits of it but prior   
   to that you can ask God, expecting an answer, if He would reveal Himself to   
   you in case you have been deceived. After all this is all between Him and you   
   or satan. Not me, or some other person.   
      
   Proverbs 8:17 – “I love them that love me; and those that seek me early   
   shall find me.”   
   Jeremiah 29:13 – “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search   
   for me with all your heart.”   
      
   These truths are everlasting.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > Plus the word   
   > > elohiym, the original name for the creator is correct, not “God”. Point   
   > > being that according to your daffynitions the NWT is previously flawed, and   
   > > perhaps is the reason you prefer to use any other translation of the Bible   
   > > than the NWT.   
   >   
   > Negatrons. I try to use Bibles that people are comfortable with. Most   
   > do not trust the NWT because of the lies from opposers. But the NWT is   
   > as good as it gets. But if you want me to mainly use that one, just   
   > say so. I will be proud to use the most accurate translation out   
   > there.   
      
   First off I have told you directly that you should always use what you   
   believe to be true. That your bible is false is a proven fact, and God has   
   told told JW’s that have been set free from the JW’s directly and or   
   indirectly of that fact, and that it is displeasing to Him.   
      
   You have always, according to you, been lying to everyone you post to on the   
   Usenet, and even when and if you nock on peoples doors, you lie to them,   
   since according to you the bibles of others are all lying and do not contain   
   all the truth, ‘truth’ as you define it. Not the JW org as you recently   
   posted, but specifically your ’truth’.   
      
   SO, if you feed others lies to placate them that is just what satan does, and   
   you imitate him since you do not have the faith to practice what you believe.   
   You cannot deny that you feed others what you believe to be a lie. And if   
   this seems harsh, just remember I am pointing out your own arguments that by   
   the use of those arguments you are bound by your own words. Either follow   
   them for the rest of your life or be known publicly known as a hypocrite to   
   the JW religion. For that is how you have been behaving for as long as I have   
   known you.   
      
   Why try to run a con game on everyone?   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Gen 2:4 Yehovah-Elohim. First occurrence of this compound name.   
   >   
   > Negatrons. They have the Tetragramaton there so:   
   >   
   > (Genesis 2:4) This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the   
   > time they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and   
   > heaven.(NWT)   
      
   Snipped you goal shifting comments.   
      
   I was quoting to you from the original greek, not from any version of an   
   English bible. That puts us on even ground.   
      
   >   
   > > For other Jehovah compound names see Gen 15:2; Gen 15:8; Gen 22:8, +**Exo   
   15:26 note.   
   > > Exo 17:15; Exo 20:2; Exo 31:13, Jdg 6:24, 1Sa 1:3, Psa 7:17; Psa 23:1; Psa   
   > > 95:6; Psa 99:5, Jer 23:6, Ezk 48:35, Zec 14:5.   
   > >   
   > > The sum of which points out all the other such similar errors of the NWT.   
      
   >   
   > Not at all. Some Bible scholars praised the NWT for its accuracy.   
   > Either all of them only have kindergarten diplomas, or the NWT really   
   > is accurate.   
      
   That has already been very publicly disproven.   
   >   
   > > And while we are on that point it should be pointed out that there is   
   > > another form of his name, that being this.   
   > >   
   > > ??????? ‘a?do?na?y   
   > >   
   > > ad-o-noy’   
   > >   
   > > An emphatic form of H113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only): -   
   > > (my) Lord.   
   > >   
   > > Why do you never mention that?   
   >   
   > Why don't you mention the FACT that most modern translations have   
      
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