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   >> > > > certain crimes, don’t you. And if He did that for this life, then it   
   >> > > > would   
   >> > > > stand to reason that he also judges after death from this life, hence   
   the   
   >> > > > well known Second Death. In which there will be not one thing that   
   could   
   >> > > > be   
   >> > > > considered pleasant, nice, loving, etc. Only the eternal torment of   
   what   
   >> > > > could have been, as well as the retribution for all your errors.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Tell me, if hellfire existed, could you stand it if your child was   
   >> > > getting tortured with fire forever? Wouldn't that ruin any pleasures   
   >> > > you were getting then? Well rejoice, there is no hellfire place. There   
   >> > > are death and the resurrection, then either life of eternal joy, or   
   >> > > the second death of no life, which is deleted.   
   >> >   
   >> > It does exist. And if a child of mine were to end there, it would be by   
   >> > their   
   >> > choice. They have all been warned.   
   >>   
   >> And your love for the child?   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > There are 100’s if not 1,000’s of recent stories from people who died   
   >> > and   
   >> > were revived, who were not drugged, who went to hell, some of them who   
   >> > thought they were christians. Whose stories are consistent with one   
   another   
   >> > who are now totally convinced to the truth of hell fire. It is nothing to   
   >> > make light of, nor should anyone ignore it.   
   >>   
   >> That is a satanic teaching. And the whole world is ran by Satan. He is   
   >> its god. So guess who plants those ideas in their heads? We know of   
   >> demon possesion in the Bible, so it's not hard to know who.   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > Also, since you say you believe that lie, then why be a JW or any other   
   >> > religious doctrine? Why waste your time, especially when by the JW   
   standards   
   >> > you are a loser since you will not be one of the 144K?   
   >>   
   >> Picture the best time you ever had. Now multiply that by 1000, which   
   >> it is what it will be on the Paradise earth. I look forward to   
   >> enjoying the pleasures on that Paradise earth. As Jesus put it:   
   >>   
   >> - King James   
   >> Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.   
   >>   
   >> I am used to living on this planet. And I enjoy it even though it is   
   >> ran by Satan. Take Satan out of the picture, and it's going to be   
   >> glorious.   
   >>   
   >> > Why follow their rules?   
   >>   
   >> You mean the Bible's rules, since all beliefs of the JW's comes from   
   >> the Bible.   
   >>   
   >> > Why refuse to take blood if it will save your life of   
   >> > one of your kin?   
   >>   
   >> Because the Bible tells Christians NO! (Acts 15:29)   
   >>   
   >> > What good is it to spend your own money on them and their   
   >> > work when there is no personal benefit to you?   
   >>   
   >> Only everlasting perfect life on a Paradise earth. I would call that a   
   >> benefit.   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > For near a century the JW’s taught when you were dead, that's it. No   
   >> > resurrection for you,   
   >>   
   >> I don't think so. You would have to prove that to me. What literature   
   >> were you referring to.   
   >>   
   >> > now you waffle on that point, claiming you might be,   
   >> > while at the same time claim there is no resurrection. And yet you claim   
   >> > that   
   >> > both the good and the evil people will be resurrected. To what? A life   
   >> > outside the city like a Dawg?   
   >>   
   >> Where are you getting these false statements? Let me make it clear.   
   >> When you die you cease to exist FOR A WHILE. (Ps 146:3,4)   
   >> Then you are given a new body in the resurrection. (Acts 24:15)   
   >> Probably looking like the one you first had. (see how Lazarus was   
   >> resurrected and was recognizable as Lazarus   
   >>   
   >> Then all those resurrected will be given the opportunity to worship   
   >> God. Those that do will inherit the earth. Those that don't will   
   >> return to the dust they were made from, and will eternally cease to   
   >> exist. No torture, no sticking pins in him, no having their limbs   
   >> being torn from their body, no pulling out their fingernails, etc.   
   >> They will forfeit their lives.   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > You like to think of yourself as a rational being, yet there is no   
   rationale   
   >> > for what you claim to follow, especially now that you isolate yourself and   
   >> > your understanding from that of the JW’s.   
   >>   
   >> You are dreaming again.   
   >>   
   >> > >   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Did you know that EVERYONE gets out of hell? (grave)(Rev 20:13) The   
   >> > > churches don't teach you that.   
   >> >   
   >> > ROTFLOL! Didn't see that one coming. If there is no hell then how do they   
   >> > get   
   >> > out?   
   >>   
   >> I have told you this many times. sheol and hades are hell. and that is   
   >> the grave. Here is a translation that uses "hell" instead of sheol:   
   >>   
   >> DRA   
   >> Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell [sheol],   
   >> and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a. time when thou wilt   
   >> remember me? [brackets mine] (Jog 14:13)   
   >>   
   >> - Webster's Bible   
   >> Job 14:13 O that thou wouldst hide me in the grave, that thou wouldst   
   >> keep me secret, until thy wrath is past, that thou wouldst appoint me   
   >> a set time, and remember me!   
   >>   
   >> -- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   >> Job 14:13 O that you would hide me in Sheol,   
   >> that you would conceal me until your wrath is past,   
   >> that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!   
   >>   
   >> So let's summaize:   
   >>   
   >> hell = sheol = grave   
   >>   
   >> > Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from   
   whose   
   >> > face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for   
   >> > them.   
   >> >   
   >> > Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the   
   >> > books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:   
   >> > and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the   
   >> > books,   
   >> > according to their works.   
   >> >   
   >> > Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and   
   hell   
   >> > delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man   
   >> > according to their works.   
   >> >   
   >> > Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the   
   >> > second death.   
   >> >   
   >> > Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast   
   >> > into the lake of fire.   
   >> >   
   >> > There is the full story, do you see the ending in V15? If your name is not   
   >> > found in the book of life, which contains the names of those who believed   
   in   
   >> > Jesus, the Lamb of God, then your eternal existence is not pleasant.   
   >>   
   >> You read the Scriptures yourself.   
   >>   
   >> Vs 13: death and hell let out all the people in them. The churches   
   >> never teach you that.   
   >> V14: Death and hell tossed into Lake of Fire. Can death be tortured   
   >> and burned? Can hell?   
   >>   
   >> >   
   >> > The word for grave was not there. “mne?meion"   
   >> >   
   >> > >   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > PS: there is a verse that speaks to scaring the hell out of people   
   lest   
   >> > > > they   
   >> > > > be lost. Albeit not in those exact terms.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Which Scripture?   
   >> >   
   >> > Would it even matter to you as you choose to disbelieve most every   
   scripture   
   >> > presented to you.   
   >>   
   >> I believe every Scripture presented to me, except bad individual   
   >> translations.   
   >>   
   >> > Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith,   
   >> > praying in the Holy Ghost,   
   >> >   
   >> > Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our   
   >> > Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.   
   >> >   
   >> > Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:   
   >> >   
   >> > Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating   
   >> > even the garment spotted by the flesh.   
   >> >   
   >> > Do you follow V20?   
      
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