XPost: alt.bible
From: .robert@mu.way
On Oct 25, 2025, James wrote
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> Heaven: Not all righteous one's destination.
>
> Do you believe when you die you go to Heaven? That's the goal the
> churches teach. But that is not what the Bible teaches.
>
> In the OT, where did Moses and Abraham and Jeremiah, etc go right when
> they died?
> If you say Heaven, you are wrong.
Before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ they all went to Sheol, the
abode of the underworld, both from those that will be going to the lake of
Fire at the time of the second death, and on the other side of a great chasm,
the location of Paradise, a holding place for all those who will be going to
heaven once the Lord Jesus Christ redeemed them as the sacrificed Lamb of
God.
The self-righteous will never attain heaven.
Here is what the words mean from their original languages.
Why try to deceive everyone like you just did.
You only quoted from the OT, yet part of your argument was that it applied to
the NT.
In the NT the word for Grave is,...
G3419(Strong)
μνημεῖον
mnēmeion
mnay-mi’-on
From G3420; a remembrance, that is, cenotaph (place of interment): - grave,
sepulchre, tomb.
Total KJV occurrences: 42
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G3419(Thayer)
μνημεῖον
mnēmeion
Thayer Definition:
1) any visible object for preserving or recalling the memory of any person or
thing
1a) a memorial, monument, specifically, a sepulchral monument
2) a sepulchre, a tomb
Part of Speech: noun neuter
Word used and defined as such 42 times
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OLD TESTAMENT - HEBREW
H7585(Strong)
שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she'ôl she’ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole’
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat),
including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
H7585(Brown-Driver-Briggs)
שׁאל / שׁאול
she’ôl
BDB Definition:
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
1a) the underworld
1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1b1) place of no return
1b2) without praise of God
1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
1b6) of extreme degradation in sin
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66 uses of that word in the OT yet ONLY 31 times was it used for the word
Grave.
it is a place of conscious existence after death, one side of which is
occupied by the suffering, unrighteous dead separated by a great chasm from
the other side peopled by the righteous dead enjoying their reward.
This is the use of that word before Jesus and the New Covenant revelations.
Which is clarified by Jesus in the NT.
Try to see if the NWT matches us with those states and verbiage.
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Now deeply consider this; Do you really seek to add to your misery in the
next life for your determined effort to undermine the Word of God with your
false doctrines and deceptions?
Consider the affect your false teachings may have on others who are only to
glad to learn your false doctrines of not place of torment and punishment for
those that pass away. Then they feel total freedom to go out and knowingly
sin much more that before they heard your words. And the real possibility
that their added sins will also be added to yours for you, as you were the
willing cause of all their additional sins.
You know these things and understand them, as such you cannot “unsee”
what you have seen and argued against.
There is only one way to reverse all of that, and there is no way that the JW
Org or Watchtower mag can lead you to it.
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* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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