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   > can testify.”—Letter, December8, 1950, from Edgar J.Goodspeed,   
   > translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."   
   > (g87.3/22, p.14)   
      
   The version of the JW bible reviewed back then is far different of the   
   current version. And in fact 20 years ago you did not tout the NW nor the NWT   
   but a version of the NIV being modified per your doctrinal beliefs of the JW.   
   The open history, or the one made possible by search engines that us AI bear   
   this out.   
      
   So you might want to clarify that to your leaders. Even if they shut down   
   their websites purge it, “clean it up” to match with their current   
   thought, it has been scrubbed by AI search engines and all archived in   
   multiple places.With all pertinent data so as to verify the authenticity of   
   its originations.   
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   > > > As for the Lake of Fire, death is tossed in it, along with hell.   
   > > > (hades) To try to torture death and hell is a waste of time. Thus the   
   > > > Lake of Fire is symbolic.   
   > >   
   > > Then How come they rode horses?   
   >   
   > Those were not NAMES of things riding on flying horses. They were   
   > symbolic representations of those words. Hell (grave) and death   
   > (death) were grabbed and thrown into that symbolic lake of fire. ITS   
   > ALL SYMBOLISM, which is what the Book of Revelation is all about.   
      
   Sorry for you bubba, but not only their names are reference but are   
   referenced as “they”.   
      
   Is Jesus riding on a white horse just a symbolic figure that bears no   
   resemblance to reality? Is Jesus not a real being?   
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   > > > And the Bible even tells us what it represents, what it is a symbol   
   > > > of, what it equals, what it stands for, what it portrays: THE SECOND   
   > > > DEATH. (Rev 20:14)   
   > >   
   > > The first physical death the spirits go to a literal hell. A holding place   
   of   
   > > most demons, and Satan although he has access to the second heaven. And   
   > > controls it.   
   >   
   > Where do you get this stuff from? If it is churches, I am not   
   > surprised.   
      
   I get it from God as revealed in the scriptures. It has been pointed out, to   
   you, from the Holy Scriptures that you personally reject. And it has been   
   pointed out to you frequently. Even recently, and yet you continue on in your   
   unfounded, per God, false beliefs.   
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   >   
   > The first death is the death we all inherited from Adam, We all die.   
      
   Nope, we all are the walking dead, those who have not been redeemed. At the   
   moment Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, he isolated himself from the kingdom   
   of God via his disobedience. He gave up his rights to control his domain to   
   satan.   
      
   Your first death is physical, a separation of yourself from the living   
   realities of this world. You spirit then goes to its future holding place.   
   Whether it be heaven or hell. And I am speaking of ones body being buried in   
   a grave. Per the proper greek verbiage.   
      
   Later, those spirits that died before the return of Christ, will at his   
   return be given a new and final body, like that of Jesus. Restored to a   
   complete being. Those in the holding place in the pits of the earth, who   
   currently dwell with demons are all under the control of Satan.   
      
   At the end of this earth, coinciding with the final resurrection of those   
   that are in hell will be resurrected and brought before the white throne   
   judgment and Judged By Jesus and all whose names are not written in the book   
   of life are tossed into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, that is the second   
   death. Wherein they are totally and eternally isolated from God. It is what   
   would be called their spiritual death.   
      
   It is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgment/   
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   > > The second death is a place created for Satan and all his angels   
   > > for their final dwelling place and because of sin, men will go there as   
   > > well,   
   > > all those whose names are not written in the book of Life. It is called THE   
   > > Second Death. It is not a place that can be washed away by your thoughts.   
   > > Only those whose sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus will be   
   > > freed of that ending. The antichrist and the false prophet in the GT at the   
   > > end will be tossed alive into that place, due to their great sin. Tossed   
   > > ALIVE, and it sounds like they will be the first two to dwell there.   
   >   
   > You like to make things complicated. The second death is the final   
   > death that all those judged adversely get. Unlike the first death,   
   > there is no resurrection from the second death. And according to   
   > Jesus, they are all 'asleep'.   
      
   This is all scriptural. Not of my making. Jesus made it very clear to those   
   without understanding that when he said asleep they could not understand what   
   he meant, the same as your are doing, and so he stated plainly in words those   
   who were not spiritual could understand,..... DEAD!   
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   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > I don't understand why you can't see that. It's all written down. You   
   > > > don't have to be a Greek scholar to understand it. The translation is   
   > > > in simple English.   
   > >   
   > > I see what I see, via the eyes of God, by His Holy Spirit. I am totally   
   > > dependent upon Him per the promises of Jesus and the Heavenly Father.   
   Simple   
   > > English is not enough, if you have not the Spirit of God Dwelling in you   
   > > then   
   > > you will miss a lot. In that case going back to the root words will be very   
   > > helpful, in fact that is commonly used to show people why they are so   
   > > mistaken. That as well as the total content of the scripture both locally   
   as   
   > > well as globally.   
   >   
   > Did you "test the spirit" as the Bible warns us?   
      
   You would not have been aware of that had I not pointed it out to you decades   
   ago.   
   In fact, you still do not comprehend what that scripture means as you are   
   considered a non spiritual one by your organization as well as yourself.   
   Being in that state you cannot define anything as spiritually of God or   
   Satan.   
      
   I have also told you many times of how it is that I do these things, and you   
   are aware of that given your final statement below, on the topic. Questioning   
   me as to how I know that the Holy Spirit of God dwells in me of is it “Holy   
   Satan”? There is no such thing as “Holy Satan” and that kind of a   
   statement only proves that you cannot differentiate the difference between   
   the Being of God or Satan. The latter who is that deceiving Angel of Light   
   that guides the JW org.   
   >   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the   
   > spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have   
   > gone out into the world. "   
   >   
   > Your Holy Spirit could be Holy Satan, acting as he does being a   
   > creature of light once in a while.   
      
   The deceiving angel of light is described in scripture/   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > Even the demons were afraid of that second death. (of non-existence):   
   > >   
   > > There is the evidence of your greatest mistake, which I have shown you   
   > > several times, meaning the nonexistent part   
   >   
   > When Lazarus was resurrected he spoke of no Heavenly existence, or a   
   > sadistic torture in a hellfire. No, Jesus said he SLEEPS. (no   
   > activity) (John 11:11)   
      
   And to those who did not spiritually understand he spoke plainly,...   
      
   Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had   
   spoken of taking of rest in sleep.   
      
   Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.   
      
   This too has been quoted to you innumerable times, yet you continue to   
   attempt to deceive others with your deceptive false narrative.   
      
      
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