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Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:01:13 -0400
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:17:26 -0500, Christ Rose
> wrote:
>
>> 1. The fact of eternal torment
>>
>> “And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son
>> of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?””
>> (Matthew 8:29, ESV)
>>
>> Notice, the demons know there is an appointed time when Christ will
>> torment them. They're not worried about being sent into non-existence.
>> They're worried about being tormented.
> To torment can mean to restrain.
False. You cite no source. Every lexicon and dictionary I can find
agrees the word means torture or torment:
βασανίζω basaniz
torture, torment (vb.)
Balz, Horst Robert, and Gerhard Schneider. Exegetical Dictionary of the
New Testament, vol. 1, Eerdmans, 1990–, p. 200.
βασανίζω G989 (basaniz
), to examine, torture, torment;
Silva, Moisés, editor. New International Dictionary of New Testament
Theology and Exegesis, Second Edition, vol. 1, Zondervan, 2014, p. 471.
38.13 βασανίζω; τυμπανίζω: to punish by physical torture or
torment—‘to
torture, to torment.’
βασανίζω: ἦλθες ὧδε πρὸ καιροῦ βασανίσαι
ἡμᾶς; ‘have you come here in
order to torment us before the right time?’ Mt 8:29.
τυμπανίζω: ἄλλοι δὲ ἐτυμπανίσθησαν, οὐ
προσδεξάμενοι τὴν ἀπολ
τρωσιν
‘but others were tortured, having refused deliverance’ or ‘… having not
received deliverance’ He 11:35.
Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the
New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains, Electronic ed. of the 2nd
edition., vol. 1, United Bible Societies, 1996, p. 490.
The rest or your response is the same. It's mostly just you making
claims and denials, based on what you want to believe about God, rather
than what the Bible actually says.
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