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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Nov 4, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 15:34:20 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Nov 1, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > Also Jesus himself never came right out and in simple words said   
   > > > anything like 'I am God', or 'I am the Father', etc. He is always   
   > > > referred to as God's Son, or the Son of God.   
   > >   
   > > He referred to himself as the "LORD thy God” to satan when he tried to   
   > > tempt Jesus at the end of his 40 day fast. And that you cannot deny. Mat   
   4:7   
   > > and elsewhere. Lest you forget out of convenience sake, Lord is in Greek   
   > > Kurios which is the Greek word used for Jehovah when they translate the   
   > > Hebrew bible into Greek.   
   >   
   > You have most of it messed up; Jesus in no way claimed to be God. See   
   > for yourself:   
      
   Scripture declares you are in error. If you don’t believe me then prove it.   
   Show the Hebrew translation of the Scriptures to the Greek Septuagint which   
   was done 300 years before the time of Jesus, and then the translation of that   
   to the current day English.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > First, who did Satan claim Jesus was:   
      
   First thing you must acknowledge is this. John 1: 1 In the beginning was the   
   Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   
      
   Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made   
   that was made.   
      
   Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.   
      
   Jhn 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I   
   spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.   
      
   JTB was both conceived and birthed before Jesus the Messiah. So how was Jesus   
   before JTB?   
      
   Behold, the Lamb of God   
      
   Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the   
   Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.   
      
   Jhn 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred   
   before me: for he was before me.   
      
   IOW although Jesus was birthed after JtB, Jesus was who he was before JtB.   
   Get it? God.   
      
   You are as if you were a trinitarian, having no understanding of God.   
      
   How is that? You ask....   
      
   Php 2:6-11   
      
   6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:   
      
   7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant,   
   and was made in the likeness of men:   
      
   8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became   
   obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.   
      
   9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is   
   above every name:   
      
   10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and   
   things in earth, and things under the earth;   
      
   11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the   
   glory of God the Father.   
      
   Note well; in verse 11, Jesus Lord, “kurios” Yehovah in Hebrew, to the   
   glory of Whom? God “theos” the Heavenly Father of both Jesus as well as   
   all men who have been Born Again.   
      
   V7-8 This is the Lord “kurios” before He became man.   
      
   Thus it is well established from Genesis unto this day and beyond that the   
   Lord Jesus is was and ever shall be, God. Jehovah, kurios. To the Glory of   
   God the Father. Even the arguing dissident Jews of that day claimed that NO   
   MAN can forgive sins unless they be God.   
      
   Now that this has been re-established as a point of fact, lets continue on   
   with your argument.   
      
   >   
   > - New King James   
   > Matthew 4:3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are   
   > the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.''   
      
   There is scripture showing that Satan knows full well who the Son of God is.   
   Yet he tried to challenge him somehow thinking that Jesus, Lord, was in a   
   humbled state of being a man was somehow weakened enough that he could be   
   tempted to prove himself as such, thus dancing to the tune of Satan.   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Matthew 4:6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw   
   > Yourself down. For it is written: `He shall give His angels charge   
   > concerning you,' and, `In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you   
   > dash your foot against a stone.'   
      
   There satan was again trying to make Jesus, Lord, dance to his tune, thus   
   subjecting himself to the ruler of this world Satan so that his Day would   
   rescue him, knowing that God the Father had angels watching over him. You   
   attempt to do the same thing and follow the same sequence as your father.   
   >   
   > Also, who is the "He" in that verse? It is God who will send angels to   
   > save Jesus.   
      
   God the Father, of course. How come you do not know him?   
   >   
   > 5. Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the   
   > pinnacle of the temple,   
   > 6. and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.   
   > For it is written: `He shall give His angels charge concerning you,'   
   > and, `In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot   
   > against a stone.' ''   
   > 7. Jesus said to him, "It is written again, `You shall not tempt the   
   > Lord your God.' '' (Mt 4:5-7)   
      
   Exactly and that is the same verse that I quoted to you at the fore.   
      
   That which you attempted tp twist and reshape to fit into your false JW   
   narrative.   
   >   
   > Jesus was quoting Deut 6:16, which was talking about Jehovah God:   
   >   
   > -- American Standard   
   > Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt Jehovah your God, as ye tempted   
   > him in Massah.   
      
   Oh? So you did read my posts where I showed you this proof and showed you the   
   proofs that the Jewish priests translated that word Jehovah as ‘kurios’.   
   LORD as in GOD. Not ‘a god’ as the JW tries to reshape Him as. That shows   
   me why you did not respond to my posts on that subject so that you can use   
   the scriptures with a JW twist.   
      
   Now for the flat out truth that all should be made aware of, the “Angel of   
   Light” that leads the JW org is Satan, Lucifer. “For such are false   
   apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of   
   Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of   
   light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as   
   the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their   
   works.” (2Co 11:13-15)   
      
   You can be freed from your present and current bondage Thru believing and   
   accepting Jesus the Messiah as Lord and Saviour of you life.   
      
   “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of   
   God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,   
   but by the Holy Ghost.” (1Co 12:3)   
      
   How ironic is that scripture when considered in light of the JW doctrine,   
      
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