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   On 11/19/2025 3:08 PM, James wrote:   
   >> Your argument collapses on its own terms. If Joel promises salvation to   
   >> those who call on the name of YHWH, and the New Testament commands us to   
   >> call on the name of Jesus to be saved   
      
   > Is doesn't say "Jesus", it says "Lord". You interpret that to be   
   > Jesus. That's up to you. We take a quote, and deliver it as a quote,   
   > using all the words in the quote. (unless Jesus paraphrases it in a   
   > few places)   
      
      
   Lies. The apostles themselves identify who the “Lord” is in the passages   
   where Joel 2:32 appears. They do not leave you to guess. They do not let   
   “Lord” float without a referent. They tie it directly to the risen   
   Christ within the very sentences where the quotation appears.   
      
   Romans 10 does not give you an undefined “Lord.”   
   It gives you a defined “Lord,” and Paul defines Him before he quotes Joel.   
      
   “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your   
   heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans   
   10:9, ESV).   
      
   The confession concerns a specific Person—the risen Jesus.   
   Paul does not change subjects. Verses 9–11 speak of believing in Him.   
   The Joel quotation in verse 13 explains why everyone who calls on *this*   
   Lord will be saved. The argument flows forward in one direction. The   
   quotation does not override the context. The context identifies the   
   referent of the quotation.   
      
   The same pattern appears in Acts 2. Peter quotes Joel 2:28–32. Then he   
   identifies the Lord of the prophecy when he concludes his sermon:   
      
   “God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified”   
   (Acts 2:36, ESV).   
      
   The Lord whom the people must call upon is the One whom God raised from   
   the dead (Acts 2:32). Peter’s conclusion defines the Lord of Joel by   
   pointing directly to Christ.   
      
   You argue that “Lord” could refer to someone else, but the inspired   
   writers apply it to Jesus in the very paragraphs where the quotation   
   stands. The Bible does not let you detach the quotation from the   
   apostolic explanation. The apostles do not merely quote Joel. They tell   
   you whom Joel was ultimately pointing to.   
      
   This same pattern appears everywhere the early believers “called on the   
   name of the Lord.” Scripture states plainly that they called on the name   
   of Jesus in prayer and worship.   
      
   Paul was sent to bind “all who call on your name” (Acts 9:14, ESV).   
   Ananias answers: “Lord, I have heard…” (Acts 9:13, ESV), speaking to   
   Jesus. Then he explains that Paul now “calls on his name” (Acts 9:21,   
   ESV). The convert calls on the name of Jesus. That language echoes   
   Joel’s promise.   
      
   Stephen, filled with the Spirit, “called out, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my   
   spirit’” (Acts 7:59, ESV). That same pattern of calling on the Lord’s   
   name appears here and is directed to Jesus.   
      
   Paul writes to the believers in Corinth, describing them as those who   
   “call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:2, ESV).   
   The formula from Joel now attaches directly to Jesus’ name without   
   hesitation.   
      
   No apostolic writer draws the line you draw.   
   No apostolic writer says the Lord of Joel 2:32 is someone other than Christ.   
   Every apostolic explanation points in the opposite direction.   
      
   The Scriptures themselves, not later translators, identify Jesus as the   
   One upon whom we call for salvation.   
      
      
   --   
   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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