XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Nov 17, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 13:20:44 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Nov 12, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 08 Nov 2025 23:23:48 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “Ye believe in God, believe also in me” is a clear–cut statement   
   of   
   > > > > our Lord that He is God. I know a theology professor who claims that   
   > > > > Jesus did   
   > > > > not claim deity. I'd like to know what He is saying here in this first   
   verse   
   > > > > if He is not making Himself equal with God. His statement makes   
   something   
   > > > > very clear right here. To believe in God means you are not an atheist,   
   but   
   > > > > to be aChristian, you must have personal faith and trust in Christ. "   
   > > > > Dr. McGee.   
   > > > If that is "clear-cut", I would hate to see "unclear-cut".   
   > > > Jesus meant that if you believe in God, believe in God's Son, Jesus.   
   > > > (John 10:36)   
   > > >   
   > > > That theologian knows Bible truth.   
   > >   
   > > He just believes the same lie that you and the JW believes. And in fact the   
   > > verse you pointed to disputes your claim.   
   >   
   > And how do you figure that praytell?   
      
   From your words.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,   
   > > Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the   
   works   
   > > of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me,   
   believe   
   > > the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I   
   in   
   > > him.” (Jhn 10:36-38)   
   >   
   > "that the Father is in me, and I in him." How many people is it   
   > talking about here? TWO. It means, the Father's righteous standards   
   > are in Jesus as well. And the same for the Father.   
      
   What you mentioned literally is true. The Heavenly Father is in Jesus, and   
   Jesus is in the Father. As you declared when you proclaimed above, (And the   
   same for the Father)   
   >   
   >   
   > First of all notice:   
   >   
   > -- Revised Standard   
   > John 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge;   
   > and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will   
   > of him who sent me.   
      
   The same goes for the believer who walks in the Spirit. We, as the scripture   
   teaches are one with Jesus as He is one with the Father.   
   >   
   >   
   > If Jesus is God, it would ALWAYS be Jesus' authority. You can't see   
   > two separate people here? Also notice:   
      
   A husband and wife are One, per scripture that you are fond of quoting, yet   
   the husband is the head of the wife, yet they too are equal. It is a   
   symbiotic relationship From God the Heavenly Father to the youngest child of   
   a family who walks with God having made Jesus Lord of their lives.   
   >   
   >   
   > (Mt 24:36) "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels   
   > of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (NAB)   
   >   
   > If the Son is God, why didn't he know?   
      
   Why doesn’t your wife know everything you have planned out?   
   > And Notice:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from   
   > God; He has seen the Father.   
   >   
   > Jesus said no one has seen the Father? Yet people saw Jesus. Comment?   
      
   People saw Jehovah, the creator. Many more saw him when he set aside his   
   power and Glory to be born as a man. Read John 1:1-18 and further if you   
   really want to read to learn rather than read to argue.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > There, the context of that scripture. Shows that Jesus and His Heavenly   
   > > Father are ‘One” in total unity and partnership. IOW as ONE.   
   >   
   > And Jesus' apostles are at ONE with God and Jesus. That puts the   
   > 'Trinity' up to 15:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > John 17:21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and   
   > I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe   
   > that You sent Me.   
      
   They all extend to me and my children as well. It is true of all Born Again   
   Believers who walk with the Holy Spirit of God. So extend that to trillions.   
      
   Jhn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall   
   believe on me through their word;   
      
   Notice the colon at the end of v20 which indicates that V21 is part of the   
   same understanding.   
      
   When you pick out scripture bites to make a point by deception you are   
   usurping the will and words of God.   
      
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   > >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe   
   also in me.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, because he was the Son of God.   
   > >   
   > > The same as Hod   
   >   
   > Hod?   
   >   
   > "Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more   
   > hod   
   > /häd/   
   > noun   
   > noun: hod; plural noun: hods   
   >   
   > a builder's V-shaped open trough on a pole, used for carrying   
   > bricks and other building materials."   
      
   Hmmm. Now like the OI you join into spelling flames? ;)   
   >   
   >   
   > > the Heavenly Father, for the Blood of the Father flowed   
   > > through his veins. After all he was sired by Him via conception. Similar to   
   > > the Kings and Princes of this world.   
   >   
   > God has no blood. He is a spirit being:   
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him   
   > in spirit and in truth.   
      
   Then how did Mary and God Conceive Yeshua?   
      
   Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord   
   appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to   
   take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the   
   Holy Ghost.   
      
   Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not   
   a man?   
      
   Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come   
   upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also   
   that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.   
      
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Were the ones who declared that Jesus was not God, Jews or JW’s?   
   > > >   
   > > > Neither, it was the Holy Bible.   
   > >   
   > > You cannot show that from scripture. That is a big lie of the JW,   
   >   
   > Here we go again, but condensed:   
      
   Snipped the false narrative created out of ignorance.   
      
   You have no understanding of God. Why, because you do not know Him, nor have   
   you had an experiential relationship with Him. And that is truly sad.   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > Both if you claimed that he was not “GOD” and in fact you just repeated   
   > > that claim today in a post I replied to you where you and the lying NWT   
   said   
   > > he was “a god”. So why keep on repeating your lies?   
   >   
   > What lies. Yes John 1:1 in the NWT calls Jesus "a god". I thought I   
   > made that clear.   
      
   Yes, you believe that corrupted Bible engineered by men to fit their   
   narrative, their false doctrine of devils. Yet they messed up here calling   
      
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