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   Jesus Divine.   
      
   From the NWT online   
   14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his   
   glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he   
   was full of divine favor and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes,   
   he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me   
   has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”) 16 For we all   
   received from his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved   
   kindness.17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved   
   kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen   
   God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the   
   one who has explained Him.   
      
   And look at verse 15 where JtB declared that Jesus existed before he was ever   
   born. And V 18 Where it says that no man has seen God at any time, except   
   Jesus who is in the bosom of the Father. They did their best to morph the   
   scriptures to fit yet remain seemingly plausible. Yet the full truth is still   
   there hidden amongst their lies.   
      
   Who created this earth and all that was in it, as well as the Sun Moon, and   
   stars? How does the NWT compare with the true scripture that states that   
   Jesus was the creator?   
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   > > > > It really doesn’t matter, Jesus answers them both, in the scriptures   
   > > > > below.   
   > > >   
   > > > Alright, let's have a look at them.   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the   
   > > > > sabbath   
   > > > > day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto   
   me,   
   > > > > Take   
   > > > > up thy bed, and walk.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee,   
   Take   
   > > > > up   
   > > > > thy bed, and walk?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had   
   > > > > conveyed   
   > > > > himself away, a multitude being in that place.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him,   
   > > > > Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto   
   > > > > thee.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which   
   had   
   > > > > made him whole.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay   
   > > > > him,   
   > > > > because he had done these things on the sabbath day.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I   
   work.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not   
   > > > > only   
   > > > > had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making   
   > > > > himself equal with God.   
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   > > >   
   > > > What the Jews said makes no sense. If you say "that man is my father",   
   > > > you just made yourself equal to your father? The Jews didn't know what   
   > > > they were talking about. Proclaiming someone is your father doesn't   
   > > > make you equal to him.   
   > >   
   > > What phony Baloney.   
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   > Then you believe saying "he is my father", makes you equal to your   
   > father? As the saying goes; "Good luck"   
      
   God the Father proclaimed Loudly to the ears of all men around Jesus, on   
   several occasions, “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased”. Also,...   
   Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved   
   Son: hear him.   
      
   How about taking the advice of his Heavenly Father?   
      
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   > >   
   > > “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,   
   > > Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the   
   works   
   > > of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me,   
   believe   
   > > the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I   
   in   
   > > him.” (Jhn 10:36-38)   
   >   
   > Just like a husband and wife are one, but two in substance.   
      
   And the husband is the head of the “one”.   
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   > > The Jews were expecting the Messiah, their King, at that time.   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Those Jews that talked to him didn't know their heads from their toes   
   > > > when it came to spiritual matters. That's one reason why Jesus called   
   > > > them "offspring of vipers". (Mt 3:7)   
   > >   
   > > You too are part of that offspring. And it was John the Baptist that said   
   > > that. Not Jesus in those verses.   
   >   
   > Observe:   
   >   
   > - American Standard   
   > Matthew 12:34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak   
   > good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.   
   > -- American Standard   
   > Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye   
   > escape the judgment of hell?   
      
   Are you trying to accosiate those verses with JtB?   
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   > "hell" = Gehenna, not hades.   
      
   Gehenna the place of continuous fire   
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   > >   
   > > You do not even believe or follow the scriptures when it comes to water   
   > > baptism.   
   > >   
   > > Bible:Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the   
   > > nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of   
   the   
   > > holy spirit".   
   > >   
   > > Watchtower:(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself   
   > > toJehovah, and accepted his way of salvation throughJesus Christ?”   
   > > (2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of   
   > > Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”   
   >   
   > Notice this answer direct from the JW web page:   
   >   
   > "What does it mean to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son,   
   > and the holy spirit?...   
   >   
   > “The Father” refers to Jehovah c God. As Creator, Life-Giver, and   
   > Almighty God, Jehovah has ultimate authority.—Genesis 17:1; Revelation   
   > 4:11.   
      
   Incorrect show the scripture that says that Jehovah was the Heavenly Father.   
      
   Then try and explain “the Ancient One” in the OT   
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   > “The Son” is Jesus Christ, who gave his life for us. (Romans 6:23)   
   > We cannot gain salvation unless we recognize and appreciate Jesus’ key   
   > role in God’s purpose for mankind.—John 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:8-12.   
      
   You have not that capability. You are no better than Ghandi in that regard.   
      
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   > “The holy spirit” is God’s active force, or his power in action. d God   
   > has used his holy spirit to create, to impart life, to convey messages   
   > to his prophets and others, and to empower them to do his will.   
   > (Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4; Romans 15:18, 19) God also used holy spirit to   
   > inspire the Bible writers to record his thoughts.—2 Peter 1:21."   
      
   The Holy Spirit is the "other comforter” One who is just like Jesus.   
      
   Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another   
   Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;   
      
   Jhn 14:17 Eventhe Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it   
   seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with   
   you, and shall be in you.   
      
   Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.   
      
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   > > > > Was this spoken by the Pharisaical Jews or the JW’s, and what is the   
   > > > > differences in their reasoning?   
   > > >   
   > > > See above for the reasoning.   
   > > >   
   > > > Have you proclaimed that you are the son of your father? You have?   
   > > > Then YOU ARE EQUAL TO YOUR FATHER, according to those Jews. Those Jews   
   > > > remind me of a weight set: DUMBBELLS.   
   > >   
   > > Yet you claim to be Jehovahs Witnesses, which the OT says are the   
   Israelites.   
   > > And being that none of you all are spiritual, save the 144K, who are thy to   
      
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