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|    Robert to James    |
|    Re: Jesus said, "ye believe in God, beli    |
|    20 Nov 25 00:16:24    |
      [continued from previous message]              > > claim they are dumbbells when you act like them?       >       > Jesus said they were "offspring of vipers". That's not far from the       > weight set.       >       > Your reasoning is flawed. We don't claim to be those OT Israelites       > just by acting similar to them. Anymore than acting like Paul in       > preaching doesn't mean we are Paul.              Then you just excluded all JW’s from the 144K       Besides it has not one thing to do with my reasoning, it comes from the truth       of God.              >       > > >       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and       reasoning       > > > > in their hearts,       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins       but       > > > > God only?       > > >       > > > They made another error here. Not only God can forgive sins, but       > > > anyone He chooses, such as His Son, Jesus.       > > Where does it say that “anyone he chooses”?       >       > You don't believe that God can give the power to forgive sins to       > anyone? Then you don't know God's power.              I can forgive your sins against me, but your sins against God can only be       cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb of God.       >       >       > > Which he proved his Godship by his works. You cannot forgive sins. Neither       > > can any JW, why is that?       >       > You can't move a mountain. Why is that?              I can through Jesus Christ. Why is that?       >       >       > >       > > >       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so       > > > > reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these       things       > > > > in       > > > > your hearts?       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins       be       > > > > forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth       to       > > > > forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way       into       > > > > thine house.       > > > >       > > > > Mrk 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth       before       > > > > them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God,       saying,       > > > > We       > > > > never saw it on this fashion.       > > >       > > > So what did Jesus prove? Jesus said God had given him the power to       > > > forgive sins. Not that he was equal to God.       > >       > > Why the lying? Where did it say that God had given him the power?       >       > -- New King James       > Mark 2:10 "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on       > earth to forgive sins'' He said to the paralytic,       >       > -- New King James       > Matthew 9:8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and       > glorified God who had given such power to men.       >       > Yes, god gave that power to Jesus.              Now you Mock God but putting a “g” in God?              Jesus received the power by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Remember that he       set aside his former power and glory to be born as man? He did no miracles       until he was Baptized with the Holy Spirit.       >       >       > > >       > > >       > > > >       > > > > Then who can forgive the JW of their sin when they deny that Jesus is       God?       > > >       > > > Nobody can, since the BIBLE says Jesus is not equal to God, nor is       > > > God:       > > >       > > > -- King James       > > > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every       > > > man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of       > > > Christ is God.       > >       > > That scripture does not say that Jesus is not equal to God. Nor did it say       > > that He is Not God.       > > Show where the scripture says that! Only the offspring of Vipers would       claim       > > that. Even the Demons knew who he was and were fearful of his power to send       > > them to their destiny. And in a sense one could say that you are far less       > > knowledgable than they.       >       > Where is your thinking? Let's use numbers for 1 Cor 11:3.       > 2 is greater than 1. But you are saying 1 = 2. Now do you understand       > that Scripture? In Heaven, God is greater than Jesus, thus Jesus       > cannot be equal to God.              Yet you said they were one and the same. Your circular reasoning is asinine.              The Heavenly Father is the Head, just as Jesus is the head of the Body of       Christ, as the Husband is the head of the wife, and so on.              All power and authority has been given to Jesus. His Name is about all names.              Do you really seek to belittle Jesus? Have you considered how an earthly Dad       is protective of their Son?       Do you really have the guts and power to stand up to Him?              >       > >       > > >       > > >       > > > Paul declared that when Jesus was in Heaven with God.       > >       > > Yet for decades if not a century, you declared that Jesus was not risen       from       > > the Grave.       >       > Prove it.              You already have done it with your own words, as well as the declarations of       the JW Org in their watchtower statements. You stated that his body was still       in the grave.       >       >       > > >       > > > James: zebrabible@proton.me              --              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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