XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Nov 16, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:<7sckhk1796o1ite4ue6gbm2cgp7jgounc0@4ax.com>):   
      
   >   
   > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 20:08:41 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > Because the Scriptures teach that the Born Again Believer teaches that all   
   > > who have given their hearts to the LORD will go to heaven, meaning Jesus   
   the   
   > > Messiah, the JW’s, per James the JW, attempts to use this verse below to   
   > > make believe that they too have a place to go. So tell us James, why would   
   > > anyone look forward to an eternal life in this world? Given all the chaos,   
   > > hatred, and deterioration of everything and a life without God in Heaven   
   > > that   
   > > only 144K can get to? This is the con job on the JW which James loves to   
   > > propagate.   
   >   
   > Speaking of con jobs..... Oh well,   
   >   
   > You haven't read in Peter about a "new earth"? Yes, God is going to   
   > follow through with what He planned in Eden. Spread that Paradise that   
   > Adam and Eve were in, to subdue the whole earth:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Genesis 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden   
   > of Eden to tend and keep it.   
   >   
   > - New King James   
   > Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be   
   > fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion   
   > over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every   
   > living thing that moves on the earth.''   
   >   
   > "Synonyms of subdue   
   >   
   > transitive verb   
   > 1: to conquer and bring into subjection : vanquish"   
   > (Merriam-Webster)   
   >   
   > God's directives are always fulfilled:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it   
   > shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please,   
   > and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.   
   >   
   > So God wanted righteous humans populating a Paradise earth, (A NEW   
   > EARTH) and by golly, that's what will happen!   
   >   
   > > Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.   
   >   
   > Those are simple words by Jesus right to the point. Trying to make   
   > them say something else does not make God happy.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > So to placate James the JW let’s surmise that this is the reality for a   
   > > moment.   
   >   
   > No "surmise" about it. IT IS JESUS' WORDS!   
      
   Yet you did not understand them. As I commented on just below this.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Then Take that thought, and look at what this same Jesus spoke in regards   
   to   
   > > this present earth and the heavens surrounding it in light of what Jesus   
   > > spoke here below in V 33. It is a footnote to the parable starting in V 29.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the   
   > > trees;   
   > >   
   > > Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves   
   that   
   > > summer is now nigh at hand.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye   
   > > that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till   
   > > all be fulfilled.   
   > >   
   > > *Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass   
   > > away.*   
   > >   
   > > ** the “Kingdom of God” spoken of there is the Millennial Rule of Jesus   
   > > in the Land of Israel. And, of course, that is the King of Kings, Lord over   
   > > all, Jesus, God.   
   >   
   > The "Kingdom of God" here, is God government taking over ALL earthly   
   > governments. And not in literal Israel. God abandoned them long ago.   
   > As Jesus put it:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Matthew 23:38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate;   
   >   
   > -- International English   
   > Matthew 23:38 Listen! Your house is completely abandoned.   
   >   
   > Thus the Israel being discussed in the Scripture today, is not the   
   > "ABANDONED" literal Israel of the past, but is instead a spiritual   
   > Israel.   
      
   Israel is Israel, the nation was restored in 1947, the land of Israel, as   
   promised to Abraham, will fully exist immediately after the end of the Great   
   tribulation, as spoken in the NT.   
      
   There is no such thing as a spiritual Israel. Yes, their house was left to   
   them desolate, yes there house has been abandoned, but the promise of God to   
   put them in charge of all the nations, and that their King will Rule over   
   all, has not yet been fulfilled. God Always fulfills his promises, Always.   
      
   The Kingdom of God that is part of the Gospel message is in the hearts of all   
   the people who have been and will be Born Again. I would explain more but   
   your heart is not ready for it, as you are fully opposed to the word of God   
   as given to man.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Addendum;   
   > >   
   > > 1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the   
   > > Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is   
   > > the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.   
   > >   
   > > (AMPC)Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking under the   
   > > power   
   > > and influence of the [Holy] Spirit of God can [ever] say, Jesus be cursed!   
   > > And no one can [really] say, Jesus is [my] Lord, except by and under the   
   > > power and influence of the Holy Spirit.   
   >   
   > "Jesus is my Lord"! All JW's acknowledge this. But Jesus is not   
   > Almighty God. Look and see:   
      
   Not at all. You can acknowledge anything you want, Like your consistent   
   acknowledgment the you accept all of the Bible, yet you do not believe it   
   all. And indeed are not even willing to do so, you treat Jesus in the same   
   manner, degrading him from Being God to just a god, no more important to you   
   than the thousands of other gods that exist in this world.   
   >   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > John 14:28 "You have heard Me say to you, `I am going away and coming   
   > back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, `I am   
   > going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I.   
      
   This verse you quoted is not related to what you just claimed, you don’t   
   even believe that He was resurrected, and only lately have the JW’s even   
   allowed for His Spiritual being dwelling in Heaven, when in fact when He was   
   resurrected, He was the first to be fully, eternally resurrected and   
   immediately afterwards Israelites also rose out of their graves and were seen   
   by many on the streets of Jerusalem.   
      
   Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto   
   me in heaven and in earth.   
      
   Yet Jesus has all, not some, power in heaven and in earth.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every   
   > man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of   
   > Christ is God.   
      
   Are you claiming superiority over your wife and children? Stating that you   
   alone are their supreme commander and lord? That they are all less than   
   yourself?   
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   > >   
   > > Lord in that verse in koine Greek is kurios.   
   >   
      
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