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Wed, 26 Nov 2025 17:22:55 -0500
Watchtower James wrote:
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Note: Whether James is sincere or not, he still parrots the satanic lies
of Watchtower. He has been warned and soundly refuted from Scripture
repeatedly. He persists repeating the same old refuted lies over and
over again after hearing the truth, as if to convince with brainwashing
what he could not from sound Bible insight.
> Churches' God Vs Bible God.
>
> They are NOT one and the same. (but it should be) So some comparisons:
(You demonstrate no such thing with these twisted, Watchtower lies below.)
> Churches: God is a 3 person **Trinity
> Bible: God is one. (Deut 6:4) (1 Cor 8:6)
> **Trinity taken from the 4th century, thus not taken from the Bible.
> Pagans also had their Trinities.
Bible: God is one being (Deuteronomy 6:4), yet three persons: Father,
Son, and Spirit (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Churches: God is one being (Deuteronomy 6:4), yet three persons: Father,
Son, and Spirit (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Watchtower: The Son (Watchtower 2001) and Spirit (Watchtower 1962) are
not God.
Watchtower James promotes a false dichotomy which misrepresents the
views of the church. The options aren't either there is only one God or
else you believe in three Gods. The Bible says there is only one single
being who is God (Deuteronomy 6:4). The church does not deny that fact.
The Bible teaches that three distinct persons are God: the Father (1
Corinthians 8:6), Son (John 1:1; John 20:28), and Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).
The church does not deny that fact as JW, Watchtower heretics do. You
don't have to call it "trinity", but those are the Bible truths the word
conveys: One God Being, three distinct persons who are God.
> Churches: Jesus is God.
> Bible: Jesus was created by God. (Col 1:15) (Rev 3:14) (Mt 24:36)
Bible: Jesus is God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8)
Church: Jesus is God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8)
Watchtower heretics: Jesus is not God.
• The real Colossians (not the false one the NWT eisegeted to
promote satanic lies) plainly and repeatedly states that Jesus
created "all things". The Watchtower heretics eisegete "other"
into the Bible repeatedly in Colossians 1, to promote the
predetermined, satanic denial of the fact Christ is God. See
https://christrose.news/nwt.
• "Firstborn" denotes the right to rule, not first created.
• Scripture gives clear examples where “firstborn” refers to
rank, inheritance, and authority — not to the first in time or
origin. These uses refute James’s claim that “firstborn of all
creation” (Colossians 1:15, ESV) must mean Jesus was created.
The Bible uses the same word for persons who were not first in
birth order and not “created first,” yet were granted the
rights of the heir.
• “I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the
earth” (Psalm 89:27, ESV).
God speaks of David. David was the youngest son (1 Samuel
16:10–13). He was not the first created, first born, or first
in time. God “made” him the firstborn by granting him
preeminence and royal authority.
• “Israel is my firstborn son” (Exodus 4:22, ESV).
Israel was not the first nation God formed, nor the first in
time. “Firstborn” describes covenant status, favor, and
inheritance rights among the nations.
• “Ephraim is my firstborn” (Jeremiah 31:9, ESV).
Ephraim was not Jacob’s physical firstborn. Manasseh was older
(Genesis 48:13–14). Yet God calls Ephraim “firstborn” to give
him preeminence and blessing. The word cannot mean “first
created,” because Ephraim was literally born second.
• “He is the firstborn from the dead” (Colossians 1:18, ESV).
Jesus was not the first person ever raised (1 Kings 17; 2
Kings 4; John 11). “Firstborn” here means the supreme and
authoritative One over resurrection — the heir of the new
creation.
• “the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven”
(Hebrews 12:23, ESV).
All believers are called “firstborn.” They obviously were not
all first in birth order. The term means full inheritance
rights as God’s redeemed people.
These passages demonstrate the biblical pattern: “Firstborn” (Hebrew
bekh
r / Greek pr
totokos) often means heir, ruler, preeminent one — not
first in time or the first created being.
Thus, when Paul calls Christ “the firstborn of all creation” (Colossians
1:15, ESV), he immediately explains the meaning without leaving room for
Watchtower James’s interpretation:
“For by him all things were created… all things were created
through him and for him” (Colossians 1:16, ESV).
A person cannot be part of creation if He created everything in
creation. Paul uses “firstborn” the same way the rest of Scripture does
— to declare Christ the supreme heir over all creation.
> Churches: In Heaven, Jesus is God.
> Bible:God is greater than Jesus. (John 14:28) (1 Cor 11:3)
Bible: Jesus is God in essence (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9), but submits
to the Father in role and function (Philippians 2:5-7; 1 Corinthians 15:28).
Church: Jesus is God in essence (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9), but submits
to the Father in role and function (Philippians 2:5-7; 1 Corinthians 15:28).
Watchtower:
• Rank and role do not negate equality of being. For example,
wives are supposed to submit to their husbands (Ephesians
5:22), yet they are equal as human beings (Genesis 1:27) and
children of God (Galatians 3:28), not lesser beings.
• Likewise, Philippians 2 shows that though Jesus existed in the
form of God (Philippians 2:6), He did not cling to His right to
be treated as God, but emptied Himself and took the form of a
servant (Philippians 2:7).
Watchtower heretics try to confuse voluntary submission in rank and role
with inferiority of essence and being. This is a stupid, self-evident lie.
> Churches: Many people saw Jesus.
> Bible: No human has seen God and lived. (Ex 33:20) (1 John 4:12)
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