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   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Nov 30, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 13:41:56 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > Death, a most misunderstood topic.   
   >   
   > Except for those who know the Bible.   
      
   Given what you said below it appears that you are not one of them.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Because we are in this world, a sinful world, that it appears to most   
   people   
   > > to be their reality that being dead is when the bodies we dwell in ceases   
   to   
   > > function. Even so, there appears in the minds of most that there has to be   
   > > more to ones life than what we currently see, whether or not they are   
   > > religious, in the christian sense or the asian style religions, Hindu,   
   > > Buddhist, etc. An innate spiritual sense.   
   >   
   > Do you know why? Because there is a Bible Scripture that says God put   
   > 'everlasting life' in the hearts of men.   
      
   I noticed that you did not post said scripture.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > As a result many are confused and find it difficult to understand this   
   > > commandment of God to Adam,   
   > >   
   > > “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden   
   > > thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,   
   > > thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou   
   shalt   
   > > surely die.” (Gen 2:16-17)   
   > >   
   > > Since most wonder what was meant since Adam clearly lived for hundreds of   
   > > years after that. Well, to die, death, dead, and its various forms has many   
   > > meanings. Some literal, to out natural understandings, and many figurative.   
   > >   
   > > In the above sense it was both literal as well as figurative. Die, in this   
   > > case meant separation. Separation of created man, from the pure   
   relationship   
   > > that man had with God from his beginning.   
   > >   
   > > It was obvious that they, God and Adam, had an ongoing friendship as well   
   as   
   > > a relationship as they would often walk and talk in the cool of the day.   
   > > This   
   > > relationship was a full part of the life of Adam and Eve as the days went   
   > > on,   
   > > one that could have continued throughout our existence from that day unto   
   > > this.   
   > >   
   > > Alas, it was cut off when Eve was tempted to eat the fruit of the tree of   
   > > Good and Evil, thus to be as gods.   
   > >   
   > > Adam, ate of the tree, because of Eve, but did not knowing full well what   
   > > would occur as to him was the commandment given. This separation, or the   
   > > death of their full relationship with God ceased at that moment because of   
   > > their choice and as a result all their offspring was likewise separated   
   from   
   > > God, as Adam subjected himself to the evil one by choosing to sin. Read   
   > > Genesis 3:7- the end of the chapter.   
   > >   
   > > A similar death occurs on occasion between a father and a son, of a Husband   
   > > and wife, or even amongst friends, in this world. Hence the phrase,   
   > > “you’re dead to me” when one party of a relationship so totally   
   > > offends   
   > > the other via their "sin or offense” against the other is so severe via   
   > > their choices in life, that they totally shun the other. Even to the point   
   > > of   
   > > telling them that they are dead to them. Yes, the offending party still   
   > > lives, but their relationship is totally killed. So dead is it that when   
   > > they   
   > > pass one another on the street, etc. that the offensive party is not   
   > > recognized as seen or even existing. In most cases their relationships are   
   > > never redeemed.   
   >   
   > Boy, you have taken something simple, and forced it to be complex. I   
   > am talking about God saying in the day you eat the fruit you will die.   
   > AND THAT DID HAPPEN.   
      
   Had you studied the Word of God, and focused on the various forms of the word   
   in Greek as well as in Hebrew You might have already been aware of, as well   
   as understand, my comments on the matter. By no means are my comments on this   
   topic full and complete   
   > Notice:   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the   
   > Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.   
      
   NWT 8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one   
   day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.   
      
   Interesting, the JW Org used “Jehovah” as the focal point of   
   understanding that scripture, not Man, not Adam. It also improperly   
   translated the Greek word for Lord, as “Jehovah’. Plus, as I see it,   
   either you or the watchtower rag, erred greatly in the application of that   
   scripture to what was commanded of God to Adam as well as the immediate   
   outcome of his sin which was clearly made manifest.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes Adam died within God's one day. (1000 yrs)   
   > Thus God's command to Adam was from God's view of time, not Adam's. So   
   > the Scripture was true.   
      
   The scripture said, “is as a” for both a day and a thousand years, the   
   Lord is not bound by the time appointed unto men when he says “tomorrow   
   though shalt die”, trust me, he means tomorrow, in our time.   
   Now if that is your personal rendition of truth, yet you claim to speak for   
   the JW’s, then to them you would be a heretic and false teacher as you   
   condemn them all, it it was they who manufactured your understanding then   
   they condemned you all, since you were given to believe a lie.   
      
   Oh and in that chapter of Peter that you brought up,...   
      
   2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the   
   which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall   
   melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall   
   be burned up.   
      
   2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of   
   persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,   
      
   2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein   
   the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt   
   with fervent heat?   
      
   2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and   
   a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.   
      
   While this is not on the topic of this thread, it is something for you to   
   ponder, as this is the earth you claim you will inherit being all burnt up,   
   thus also disrupting your claimed knowledge that forever is indeed forever.   
   Look at all the stuff turned into Krispy Kritters.   
      
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   > >   
   > > This is the reality of Death, of to Die, etc. It applies as well to the   
   > > physical death of a body, as they are totally separated from this present   
   > > reality. There is a ’second death’ but that should be addressed at   
   > > another time. Yet it too is the final defined separation.   
   > >   
   > > Here I would like to show you a view of death and life from thru the eyes   
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