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|    Robert to James    |
|    Re: Death (2/2)    |
|    01 Dec 25 19:44:09    |
      [continued from previous message]              > > God the Father, one view of it via the Old Covenant, and a similar view of       > > the same thing from the New Covenant. Thus showing the continuity of the       > > Creator God and His consistency of purpose and Love of His the ones He       > > created “in their image”.       > >       > > Ezk 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and       > > committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the       > > wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done       > > shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his       > > sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.       > >       > > Ezk 18:25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house       of       > > Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?       > >       > > Ezk 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and       > > committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done       > > shall he die.       > >       > > Ezk 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that       > > he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save       his       > > soul alive.       > >       > > This same desire, from the Heart of God, is a full part of the Gospel of       > > Christ thought his redeeming Grace.       > >       > > This warning of Jesus/Yeshua, that is found in V24 above is Found in       > > Matthew.       > >       > > Mat 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying,Behold, a       > > sower went forth to sow;       > >       > > Mat 13:4 And when he sowed, some seedsfell by the way side, and the fowls       > > came and devoured them up:       > >       > > Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and       > > forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:       > >       > > Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had       > > no root, they withered away.       > >       > > Mat 13:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked       > > them:       > >       > > Mat 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an       > > hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.       > >       > > Mat 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.       > >       > > The meaning of it, in case one didn’t get it,....       > >       > > Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.       > >       > > Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and       > > understandethitnot, then cometh the wicked one,and catcheth away that which       > > was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.       > >       > > Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he       > > that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;       > >       > > Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when       > > tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is       > > offended.       > >       > > Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth       the       > > word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke       the       > > word, and he becometh unfruitful.       > >       > > Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth       > > the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth       > > forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.       > >       > > Then this also, yet it is only a part of the fullness of the all       > > encompassing Gospel of Christ given to those that walk in the Spirit.       > >       > > 1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare       > > unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.       > >       > > 1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness,       we       > > lie, and do not the truth:       > >       > > 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have       > > fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son       cleanseth       > > us from all sin.       > >       > > 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth       > > is not in us.       > >       > > 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our       > > sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.       > >       > > 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his       word       > > is not in us.       > >       > > Were are to put to death the fleshly desires in order to walk in the       Spirit.       > >       > > Those who walk in the flesh, even those that think they are doing good       works       > > by doing religious things, are lost, because they are not really doing the       > > good works of God as they are not doing the will of God that he speaks to       > > their heart, and just doing things their own way, controlling their lives,       > > and not giving God the Lead via their Born Again Spirit.       > >       > > Let Go, Let God. Do not quench the Holy Spirit. 1Th 5:19       > >       > > God has a plan for you, no matter your age, He wants to share that with       you,       > > should you desire His will.       >       > Yes, here is God's plan:       >       > - New King James       > Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all       > the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.       > JW's are fulfilling that command as we speak.              Sadly you understand nothing of that scripture either. Jesus was speaking of       the millennial rule here, the context of that scripture starts in v3 of that       chapter.              Scripture is not like cooking spaghetti where you trow it on the wall to see       what sticks. God has a plan, with a purpose. Well ordered and thought out.       You, my friend, are not living in that time period, nor are any other JW’s,       and they never will.       >       >       > >       > > Friend, there is so VERY much one might say on this topic and it cannot be       > > covered in one post, I hope this provides some clarification and       > > understanding. One takeaway on death is that there are various words for it       > > in both Greek and Hebrew, and out English versions of the Bible are very       > > generic and does not include all the nuances of this word death, die, etc.       > > And the Holy Spirit is vital to help us understand and perhaps even to look       > > it up in both Hebrew and Greek. Even those dictionary sources are limited       as       > > the contextual usages speaks to what the author is actually saying. AI is       of       > > no use in this only the Spirit of the Lord is.       >       > Death is clear cut in the Bible. As Jesus said, the dead are       > 'sleeping'. (John 11:11) They are not conscience. Are you going to       > contradict Jesus? You would be wise not to.              You would do well to give your heart and full being to him, and in return he       will exceed your expectations. Death, to die, etc, is as was stated above,       and had you looked and the OT scriptures that should have enlightened you if       your heart was open to God.       >       > James: zebrabible@proton.me              --              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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