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   > > Here it is speaking of the physical, life   
   > > under the Sun planet/Star.   
   >   
   > Isn't that where you are right now? Is it not true that the living   
   > know they will die? But the Scripture continues:   
   > "But the dead no not any thing".   
   >   
   > God just clued us in on the afterlife. There is none.   
      
   If there is no afterlife, and you believe that, then why are you trying to be   
   religious? For what purpose?   
   Plus the scripture contextually does not say what you claim. You were shown   
   the truth, yet you continually chose to believe a lie. The one which is   
   taught you by your religion.   
      
   God spoke to us all about the after life, one with God the Father and one   
   with Satan depending upon who you follow. The second death is eternal   
   separation from God and all the other righteous ones taken to heaven.   
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   >   
   > >   
   > > Death Comes to All   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this,   
   that   
   > > the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no   
   man   
   > > knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous,   
   > > and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him   
   > > that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is   
   the   
   > > sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that   
   > > there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full   
   > > of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they   
   > > go to the dead.   
   >   
   > Yes, to non-existence.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a   
   > > living dog is better than a dead lion.   
   >   
   > Because the dead lion has no life in it, just like dead people,   
   > according to the inspired Bible.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > **Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not   
   any   
   > > thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is   
   > > forgotten. **   
   >   
   > If people lived on after death, the Scripture should have said   
   > something like; 'the living know they will die, and the dead know they   
   > will live.'. But it doesn't say that, does it.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;   
   > > neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done   
   > > under the sun.   
   >   
   > Correct. They do not live after death. Some people claim ghosts come   
   > back from the dead and move things around etc, under the sun. But that   
   > is a farce.   
      
   You missed out on the total context of that scripture which was in part   
   summed up in V5.   
   Their death is their total separation from God and anything good when their   
   physical death takes place.   
   They simply await their final judgment for eternity.   
      
   It is so sad to see you read the scripture from a trained knee jerk reaction   
   that attempts to prayer heathen redefine the words of God. Verse five speaks   
   to the living beings in this world, who are alive unto God, as well as those   
   living beings who are dead to God.   
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   >   
   > >   
   > > Take a good long look at the scriptures, can a man earn anything after his   
   > > death? Is there evil in much of what man does? And madness while they live?   
   > > What happens to all those attitudes when they die.? Is a dead man worth   
   > > anything?   
   >   
   > A dead human no longer exists, until the resurrection.   
      
   So did you write off your dad and mom, your grandparents and their parents?   
   Are the memories of them all gone away? Do they have tombstones, etc.? Will   
   you? Is there a recorded history of your parentage? And when you are   
   physically dead will all your records disappear? Why do people have to handle   
   your dead body? According to you, you cease to exist when you die, cease in   
   every form there is, so why then will you stink, is that why they cry? Get   
   the point?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > A dead man has no more portion of anything under the Sun.   
   > >   
   > > A dead man is dead. Dead.   
   >   
   > Absolutely, he is not existing in the 'afterlife' as a soul etc.   
   > Rather he is dead under this sun, and is dead in the afterlife.   
      
   If you shoot yourself in the head will you just pop like a ballon and the   
   shreds thereof fly away?   
      
   Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit   
   shall return unto God who gave it.   
      
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   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > The dead don't know anything. They thus have an IQ of absolute zero.   
   > >   
   > > The body of a man never had any IQ. None at any time, try asking a comatose   
   > > person a question.   
   >   
   > ?? Try asking a University Professor a question. Living people have   
   > IQ's, even a comatose Professor. It's in his brain but can't show   
   > itself at that time. But when he wakes up, boom! There's his IQ.   
   >   
   > But a dead person has no IQ because they have ZERO knowledge and   
   > memory and no more brain. Over time, all that is left is the bare   
   > skull.   
      
   Whoosh, right over your head.   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > -- King James   
   > > > Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy   
   > > > might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in   
   > > > the grave, whither thou goest.   
   > >   
   > > Again I must return you to the context of this scripture.   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the   
   > > life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days   
   of thy   
   > > vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou   
   > > takest under the sun.   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there   
   > > is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither   
   > > thou goest.   
   >   
   > Notice here the writer says where, you the reader, goes when you die.   
   > He doesn't say you go to Heaven, or to a hellfire place, but only to   
   > the grave. And that is all for now.   
      
   So much for you biblical knowledge and understanding.... The NT is full of   
   those topics.   
      
   2Co 5:6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home   
   in the body, we are absent from the Lord:   
      
   2Co 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the   
   body, and to be present with the Lord.   
      
   Yet you refuse to believe Him and chose to believe a lie.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > As anyone who reads can see, this pertains to those who live life under our   
   > > Sun. V9 It speaks solely to the physical.   
   >   
   > And why not, because that's all there is right after death.   
      
   Since you have not experienced death, how would you know. Have you put to   
   death the deeds of your flesh?   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > No work, or knowledge, or wisdom after you die. Here is that zero IQ   
   > > > again. So what's another word for that condition of the dead?   
   > > >   
   > > > Nonexistence!   
   > > >   
   > > > That is why no deceased relatives contact you. They would if they   
   > > > could. But they can't. They cease to exist until the resurrection.   
   > > > Both Jesus and Paul refer to the dead as being "asleep". (John 11:11)   
   > >   
   > > Incorrect. You are mixing the spiritual and the physical as being totally   
   > > dependent upon each other.   
   > > To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, for the Born   
   > > Again Believer.   
   >   
   > Yes, I cover that down below. Paul was born again, and thus goes to   
   > Heaven. But that number has a limit. (Rev 7:4; 14:1) EVERYONE ELSE   
   > gets nonexistence until the resurrection of the good and the bad.   
      
   False doctrine, false teaching.   
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