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|    James to usenet@christrose.news    |
|    Re: Christmas Falsehoods By Watchtower:     |
|    12 Dec 25 17:54:37    |
      [continued from previous message]              >not call Him “a god.”              Other translations do.              He does not say “a divine one.” He states that the       >One who reveals the Father shares the same unique deity as the Father       >Himself. The Son dwells “at the Father’s side,” a phrase of eternal       >fellowship. And He alone explains the unseen God because He alone shares       >that divine essence.                     >       >John 1:1 declares His nature.              Declares his substance.              >John 1:3 declares His work.              Agreed.              >John 1:14 declares His incarnation.              Negatrons              Actually it declares his humanity, but with God's wisdom and truths.                     >John 1:18 declares His unique deity and eternal intimacy with the Father.              Actually the way you worded it makes it correct. Jesus is a unique       deity, etc.              >       >Your appeal to Barclay and fringe translations does nothing to change       >what the inspired text states so plainly. “Divine” and “deity” never       >support your claim that He is a lesser created being. You misuse their       >wording to prop up a doctrine the text itself annihilates.              Sorry, but that is what you do. I may say the color is blue, you turn       around and say it is red.              >       >Your interpretation forces contradictions the Holy Spirit never placed       >in the passage. John’s prologue proclaims:       >       >• The Word eternally exists (“In the beginning was the Word,” John 1:1).              Since when did God have a beginning?              >• The Word eternally fellowships with God (“the Word was with God,” John       >1:1).              That sounds about right. From here on though, not from eternally       before.              >• The Word eternally shares God’s nature (“the Word was God,” John 1:1).              Yes, but as 1 Cor 11:3 says Jesus powers are not absolute like God's.              >• The Word creates all things (John 1:3).              After the word was created, he help create all things.              >• The Word is the life and light of men (John 1:4).              Correct.              >• The Word becomes flesh (John 1:14).              True.              >• The Word is the only God at the Father’s side (John 1:18).              "only god".       >       >To defend annihilationism, you must deny every one of these truths.       >To defend your diminished Christ, you must amputate the very verses that       >reveal Him.              Nonsense. I deny no Bible truths. You seem to like to twist and tear       them one way and another until they match your beliefs (churches'       beliefs)              >       >But Scripture leaves you no room to shrink Him down.              I shrink no one down. I present him like the apostle Paul:              -- King James       1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every       man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of       Christ is God.              >He is the eternal Word.              OK.              >He is the Creator of all.              Except himself, to whom God created. Col 1:15.              >He is the only God at the Father’s side.              "only god". Greeks had no capitalization. Translators do that.              >He is the One who died for our sins and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:3–4).              Right on.              >Reject Him, and you face what He Himself describes as “the fire that is       >not quenched” (Mark 9:48 [Gehennah]).              OK.              >       >Greek grammar will not rescue Heresy James from the Christ he denies.              Here comes those lies again. The proof is in how I talk about Christ.       He was privileged to be the only begotten Son of God. No other beings       were created directly by God. He was given honor and glory etc, by       God. Humans cannot be saved unless they get to God through Jesus.       (John 14:6)              Jesus, being created, cannot be worshipped (Ex 20:1) But all beings       must give him due obeisance.              "AWAKE!       Coping With Rising Prices?—Manage Your Funds Wisely       Consider five money-saving tips that can help you manage your       finances.       Learn More".       See jw.org (12/11/2025)       James: zebrabible@proton.me              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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